Kate Brown & Knute Buehler... Where they stand on guns

[CountryGent]

I cant believe this I know dem voters that voted for knute or said they did. Ive lived in this state for well over 50 years and ive never seen it so Phucked up . Welcome to new California.

I haven't been here quite as long, but close, and I'm born and raised. I've live most of my adult life all over this state; from the coast (central and northern), to the eastern plains, to the south where I presently reside. Oregon politics has always been a rough and tumble affair, but agreed, I don't recall a time in which it was this screwed up, from stem to stern.

In terms of natural beauty, I would stack this area of land against any other in the world, bar none. I've had the blessed opportunity to explore, hunt, fish, hike, and otherwise take in the grandeur of this great state; from the many forests, to the dunes, to the sea shores, to the high deserts, to the many lakes and streams. And what a wondrous experience it is in the wild sense of freedom such a place evokes. I started a family here and hoped they could enjoy the same. Alas, I fear the insanity in Salem has simply become too much. How I wish it were not so.

 

[SUPER X]

I haven't been here quite as long, but close, and I'm born and raised. I've live most of my adult life all over this state; from the coast (central and northern), to the eastern plains, to the south where I presently reside. Oregon politics has always been a rough and tumble affair, but agreed, I don't recall a time in which it was this screwed up, from stem to stern.

In terms of natural beauty, I would stack this area of land against any other in the world, bar none. I've had the blessed opportunity to explore, hunt, fish, hike, and otherwise take in the grandeur of this great state; from the many forests, to the dunes, to the sea shores, to the high deserts, to the many lakes and streams. And what a thing it is in the wild sense of freedom such a place evokes. I started a family here and hoped they could enjoy the same. Alas, I fear the insanity in Salem has simply become too much. How I wish it were not so.

I remember when almost everything from banks to sylvan was wheat ,alpha, fields and orchards ECT. Where I am right now has the highest rate of homeless in the state more than double anywhere else . When I was a teen I could pay rent , food and house bills on a minimum wage job . Nothing fancy but the basic needs . I Cant see how any of this change and nonsense has made anything better.

 

[JRuby]

Columbia county passed 5-270 where we have become a gun sanctuary county. I feel extremely good about this. The one point I dont understand is out of 37000 eligible voters only about 10600 voted. I have come to the conclusion most of the population simply doesnt care any more.

 

[TeacherSmurf]

That's not a very good turn out they must have stole some ballots .

With 2,731,048 registered voters in the state as of September 2018 and 1,349,891 total votes cast, that means that about 49% of the registered voters actually cared enough to mail their ballot in.

I am reminded of my grandfather. When someone would start to complain about the government, he would stop them and ask two questions. 1) Did you vote? 2) Are you doing or have you done any to help the community? If they answered no, to either or both questions he would look them in the eye and say, "Then you are part of the problem" and walk away. I have a feeling I am going to be saying that to a lot of people.

 

[E4mafia]

Columbia county passed 5-270 where we have become a gun sanctuary county. I feel extremely good about this. The one point I dont understand is out of 37000 eligible voters only about 10600 voted. I have come to the conclusion most of the population simply doesnt care any more.

You sure got that right. They either don't care or don't know enough to be involved and then don't think about it until its at their door step.

With 2,731,048 registered voters in the state as of September 2018 and 1,349,891 total votes cast, that means that about 49% of the registered voters actually cared enough to mail their ballot in.

I am reminded of my grandfather. When someone would start to complain about the government, he would stop them and ask two questions. 1) Did you vote? 2) Are you doing or have you done any to help the community? If they answered no, to either or both questions he would look them in the eye and say, "Then you are part of the problem" and walk away. I have a feeling I am going to be saying that to a lot of people.

Unfortunately times have changed and so have people. People have become more complacent and uninformed of how their political systems work (do they even teach this stuff in schools anymore?). Fortunately we maintained Senate and have a better leaning SCOTUS and still have the President seat. Just means more obstructions until SCOTUS can finally make rules or Presidential EO's.

 

[SUPER X]

With 2,731,048 registered voters in the state as of September 2018 and 1,349,891 total votes cast, that means that about 49% of the registered voters actually cared enough to mail their ballot in.

I am reminded of my grandfather. When someone would start to complain about the government, he would stop them and ask two questions. 1) Did you vote? 2) Are you doing or have you done any to help the community? If they answered no, to either or both questions he would look them in the eye and say, "Then you are part of the problem" and walk away. I have a feeling I am going to be saying that to a lot of people.

Its hard to believe less than 1/2 the people voted with all the hype that has been on this election.

 

[CountryGent]

Its hard to believe less than 1/2 the people voted with all the hype that has been on this election.

Totally agreed. Showing up to a polling place is practically nothing. Dropping an envelop in the mail or a ballot box is less than nothing. Seriously, half the registered voters couldn't pull that off?

 

[CamoDeafie]

With 2,731,048 registered voters in the state as of September 2018 and 1,349,891 total votes cast, that means that about 49% of the registered voters actually cared enough to mail their ballot in.

I am reminded of my grandfather. When someone would start to complain about the government, he would stop them and ask two questions. 1) Did you vote? 2) Are you doing or have you done any to help the community? If they answered no, to either or both questions he would look them in the eye and say, "Then you are part of the problem" and walk away. I have a feeling I am going to be saying that to a lot of people.

Actually, according to the results.oregonvotes.gov site, just over 1.7 million ballots have been received, leaving just around 1 million not recieved, out of 2.7 million eligible voters. Approx 62 percent turn out. The numbers though, indicates only 1,421,388 ballots total counted out of 1,735,800 received. If it turns out a significant portion of the difference were in fact fraudulent ballots, duplicates, or "stuffed ballots", or ballots that did not "match" the party registered and the votes cast and thus either dismissed or not counted towards the unofficial results (even though we have the right to vote who we want regardless of party affliation)

 

[E4mafia]

Oregon Secretary of State

 

[JRuby]

Statewide 62% is a lot higher turn out than I have seen before. I wonder if most of non voters were in rural counties? I should be grateful that my county did not have better turn out if it did 5-270 might not have passed. It was close to not passing.

 

[ob1]

Well.....I guess I'll ask this question even though it's been mentioned in other threads.

I understand the "feel good" thing that comes from discussion about these bills, but can someone explain what tangible benefit would be gained from these 2A sanctuary measures. What teeth would they have ? None that I can see. State law always trumps County laws, period.
Unless the intent is to foment a "civil war" between County and State, or that it is merely symbolic, what benefit would they provide ?
Maybe the liberals (firmly in control) would be shamed and suddenly change their minds on gun grabbing ?

 

[TeacherSmurf]

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Oregon Secretary of State

Thanks. I was using OregonLive numbers, so didn't have the official total.

 

[SUPER X]

Well.....I guess I'll ask this question even though it's been mentioned in other threads.

I understand the "feel good" thing that comes from discussion about these bills, but can someone explain what tangible benefit would be gained from these 2A sanctuary measures. What teeth would they have ? None that I can see. State law always trumps County laws, period.
Unless the intent is to foment a "civil war" between County and State, or that it is merely symbolic, what benefit would they provide ?
Maybe the liberals (firmly in control) would be shamed and suddenly change their minds on gun grabbing ?

They are incapable of having any shame.

 

[JRuby]

Well.....I guess I'll ask this question even though it's been mentioned in other threads.

I understand the "feel good" thing that comes from discussion about these bills, but can someone explain what tangible benefit would be gained from these 2A sanctuary measures. What teeth would they have ? None that I can see. State law always trumps County laws, period.
Unless the intent is to foment a "civil war" between County and State, or that it is merely symbolic, what benefit would they provide ?
Maybe the liberals (firmly in control) would be shamed and suddenly change their minds on gun grabbing ?

We will find out soon. These measures indicate the peoples desires to those that we put into office in our county and where we stand.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Do you recall a time period in which outlaws and such were able to cross county lines and be safe from prosecution by other counties, or even the State if the State did not have the resources, the willpower or the manpower to prosecute the outlaws?

 

[ob1]

We will find out soon. These measures indicate the peoples desires to those that we put into office in our county and where we stand.

OK, merely symbolic. Got it. Thanks.

 

[CamoDeafie]

@ob1 ; show me where in the Federal Laws does it say that State Police supersedes County Sheriffs as law enforcement officers?
Related note, especially with the defeat of the measure related to ICE and Federal authorities; where does State laws supersede the Federal law? (Sanctuary city/state thing). If Oregon State Govt decides to sue the Counties over the 2nd Amendment thing, the Counties could come together, and countersue the State govt over the Sanctuary State/City status, which would bring the Federal Supreme Court in

 

[SUPER X]

@ob1 ; show me where in the Federal Laws does it say that State Police supersedes County Sheriffs as law enforcement officers?
Related note, especially with the defeat of the measure related to ICE and Federal authorities; where does State laws supersede the Federal law? (Sanctuary city/state thing). If Oregon State Govt decides to sue the Counties over the 2nd Amendment thing, the Counties could come together, and countersue the State govt over the Sanctuary State/City status, which would bring the Federal Supreme Court in

I don't think it matters anymore the state makes laws that crap on the constitution

 

[CamoDeafie]

I don't think it matters anymore the state makes laws that crap on the constitution

If the State isnt gonna go after the Counties, then it doesnt matter much. If the State DOES go after the Counties.... then it would matter, because the Feds will have to get in on it as mediator between the Counties and the State. In other words, there would be a court decision in which either the State have to repeal and remove certain laws as has happened in the past, or the Counties are told to play nice with the State laws

 

[ob1]

@ob1 ; show me where in the Federal Laws does it say that State Police supersedes County Sheriffs as law enforcement officers?
Related note, especially with the defeat of the measure related to ICE and Federal authorities; where does State laws supersede the Federal law? (Sanctuary city/state thing). If Oregon State Govt decides to sue the Counties over the 2nd Amendment thing, the Counties could come together, and countersue the State govt over the Sanctuary State/City status, which would bring the Federal Supreme Court in

1. If you are inferring that the majority of Counties would be willing to side with Sanctuary Counties, I doubt it, nor do I think you would see a majority of Oregon Counties adopting these measures. Even so, this would end up being heard in the State court system. In the hypothetical case you describe, do you really see a State court ruling against a law created by the State Legislature, approved by the State Attorney General and signed by the Governor ? Especially in this State which is all but owned by the Dem's.

2. The SCOTUS chooses which cases it wants to hear. Something of this nature would be sent back to the State with a big WTF, do your own job.

3. Not every possible thing that can be imagined is written into the United States Code. It is only meant to be a guide to enforcing existing law and added to as needed. It is up to State Legislatures to craft laws within their scope of their jurisdiction. Which brings us to your mention of :

4. The illegal immigration issue is a prime example of overstepping jurisdiction by a lower governmental body. It is contrary to the way such bodies are supposed to interact with each other and not legitimate. The only reason it exists is that it was engineered by extremist activists who have little or no regard for the US judicial system. It remains because it is one segment of a much larger issue, illegal immigration throughout the country. I suspect it will survive until the main point is resolved, whether we maintain our national sovereignty or discard it for the benefit of demographic gains by one political party. It has not been strenuously addressed by the Federal government for that simple reason, it is more a political issue than it is a point of law. This is also why your hypothetical scenario for the 2A sanctuary County law would not pass muster in the SCOTUS. There is no one able or willing to bring that issue to the SCOTUS level.

5. Law Enforcement officers enforce the laws of the office they hold. They do not create them. The continuum of Federal, State, County is simply the way the judicial is structured. Unless you are proposing that a County measure would be impetus to throw the system upside down, that's just the way it is. Another one of those things not written into a law somewhere because it is obvious.

It's been a long and disappointing day. I'm logging out so I can start dreaming about living in a beautiful State that isn;t messed by socialist azzhats....Later on.