K31 Swiss

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by MountainBear, Mar 25, 2019.

Tags:
  1. MountainBear

    MountainBear
    Oregon
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,829
    Likes Received:
    6,361
    I have a hole in my collection, I think. But I cannot be sure. And since the want to try section didn’t seem to last, I’m going to post this here.

    I want to shoot a K31 Swiss straight pull rifle. If someone has one around the central Willamette Valley and is willing to spend some time at ARPC, I’d love to give one a try before I commit to purchasing one.

    I’d happily bring my milsurps to shoot and either trade or reimburse for ammo. I hope they are as good as people think say they are.
     
  2. 41mag

    41mag
    sunny Orygun
    Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

    Messages:
    2,908
    Likes Received:
    6,307
    I shot one years ago over one summer that was a fabulous round for accuracy. What always gave me the jitters though was the 'look' that bolt design I had little faith in absolute safe functioning.
     
    Ura-Ki and MountainBear like this.
  3. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX
    West of Portland from England
    Bullet goes where now? Staff Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer 2018 Volunteer

    Messages:
    3,111
    Likes Received:
    3,309
    Nearly bought one last year, or maybe year before. But wasn't wanting the beech stock :( Never fired it anyway.
     
    Ura-Ki likes this.
  4. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson
    Everson, Wa.
    Moderator with a Black powder affinity... Staff Member Silver Supporter

    Messages:
    10,429
    Likes Received:
    50,154
    Simpson's LTD usually as a few for sale should you want to buy one.
    I have fired a few and liked them...found them to accurate and fast to use.
    Andy
     
    MountainBear, bbbass and Ura-Ki like this.
  5. Unka-Boo

    Unka-Boo
    Milwaukie
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,244
    Likes Received:
    800
    My biggest milsurp regret was selling my K-31.
    I can say just get one, you won’t be disappointed.
    I mean, what other gun has literal match ammo as “surplus”?
     
    Baseacegoku and Ura-Ki like this.
  6. jbett98

    jbett98
    NW Oregon
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2018 Volunteer

    Messages:
    9,667
    Likes Received:
    16,788
    My favorite 1,000 yard iron sights shot video of all time. I wish my Dad was into guns like this father & son are.

     
    Aero Denezol, tac, Howard1955 and 3 others like this.
  7. MountainBear

    MountainBear
    Oregon
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,829
    Likes Received:
    6,361
    I will likely get one at some point, but I really want to shoot one first. Hopefully I can find someone local-ish who has one and wants to come play at the range...
     
    Ura-Ki likes this.
  8. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel
    Tacoma
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    298
    Likes Received:
    536
    Among my biggest regrets is not buying every last one at $100 back when they were that price, not 15 years ago. Tables full of them at gun shows...

    Anyway, OP, no need to try. Buy and you'll love it... Very slick action, great trigger, and accurate.
     
    Ura-Ki likes this.
  9. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki
    SuperCub Moderator
    Moderator Staff Member Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    9,663
    Likes Received:
    40,830
    I cannot say enough good things about the K-31 and derivatives, you cannot go wrong with one. I have 3 of them, one origional, one "Contract" 6.5X55 and one Conversion to .308 win, all run flawless and shoot lights out! The .308 is the really trick one with a "Match" type laminate stock and Ghel iron target sights! I have often thought of swapping stocks and sights between the .308 and the 6.5, would be a hoot!
     
    bbbass likes this.
  10. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    Not sure how you can have ANY SWISS rifle/carbine converted to a smaller calibre like the Swedish 6.5x55, but hey ho, what do I know? And contract? Please tell me about this.

    tac
    www.swissrifles.com
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2019
    ron likes this.
  11. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    I have a K11 and a K31 - converted from a Model 1900, and made in 1954 respectively. I swap out the K31 with a Swiss Products mounted scope and spiffy diopter - even shoot it with irons, but the K11 is permanently nekkid.

    upload_2019-3-26_9-41-8.png
    See -
    upload_2019-3-26_9-38-54.png

    upload_2019-3-26_9-39-30.png

    Scope is a $25 bargain bin special Weaver K4 from a jun- antique store in Wheeler - some of you might know it, with Warne mounts. It is as clear as the day it left El Paso, sometime in the mid-50s. I have a collection of 'em and love 'em to bits.

    Here's the spiffy diopter sight set - all from Swiss Products [Mornin', Piérre and Latigo]...

    upload_2019-3-26_9-41-45.png

    upload_2019-3-26_9-42-10.png

    I also have hybrid - a Schultz & Larsen barrel and a K31 action with Gehmann and W+F sights in some unknown brand of prone stock. This one is .308Win for 300m only.

    upload_2019-3-26_9-43-39.png

    This is a twelve-shot group at 100m from the K31 with the scope I had for a while -

    upload_2019-3-26_9-47-39.png

    upload_2019-3-26_9-48-13.png

    I handload - GP11 only comes from two places here in yUK - both over a hundred miles away, and sales are face-to-face only. Also $1.15 a shot.......
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2019
  12. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    I mentioned in passing - but THESE are the people to talk to for accessories for your SWISS schtuff - https://www.swissproductsusa.com/

    Made in 'Murca, too. Anyone feels the need to talk with me about them please go right on ahead. But PLEASE do not confungle SWITZERLAND with SWEDEN, 'kay?

    BTW, that GP11 milsurp ammunition is the very best on the planet, far surpassing anything you will ever have shot before. It's also .308 diameter, so reloading is a breeze, once you get over the ultra-long ogive of the original bullet and use a suitable substitute - Berger, JLK or similar. At 2650 fps, and weighing in at 174gr, it's 99% of a good .30-06 load.

    It's also a kicker, for them as likes it.

     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2019
  13. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    All I can say, after almost thirty years of shooting both my own Swiss rifles, and almost sixty years shooting them in Switzerland, that I've never heard of a bolt failure.

    It's not like an early Ross, that CAN be re-assembled so that it fails to lock up. Basically, if a Schmidt-Rubin or K31 bolt is NOT fully home, it won't fire. Of course, there is always the chance that you may have experienced something different, and if so, please share it with the rest of us.
     
    bbbass and MountainBear like this.
  14. 41mag

    41mag
    sunny Orygun
    Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

    Messages:
    2,908
    Likes Received:
    6,307
    Simple naivete and basic ignorance based on anxiety and apprehension. It did produce great accuracy along with an growing reluctance to use it. Uncommon bird as never discovered other users at the range. Pre internet days. The problem wasn't the rifle, rather my own fears. Thanks for asking.
     
  15. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    I don't think that the Swiss, as a nation, would have adopted a rifle and its descendants that lasted in service from 1889 to 1957, and that is still shot in the hundred thousands, that had ANY kind of a problem in shooting reliabilty. In fact, apart from a minor shift of the locking lugs from the centre to the front of the bolt, and a re-arrangement of the location of the magazine, there were no issues at all. A small batch of operation rods were made in 1944 with less than stellar quality steel due to wartime exigencies, but they were replaced on a mass recall.

    The immense longevity of the barrels is due to the exceptionally high nickel-chrome content of the steel. Wear is almost undetectable. I gauged the muzzles of my K11 and K31 on buying them, both of them having been in service and would therefore have fired an unknown but definitely large number of service rounds. Last year I did it again, just to see how much they had worn out.

    There was no difference in the measurements.

    Also, the Swiss do NOT use oil, or pull-throughs. They use a very light natural grease - easily copied today with a similar light grease - both in the bore and outside on the metal and woodwork. Push a greased-up patch through the bore, up and down, ten times, while the barrel is still warm. Then, before you shoot again, patch it out, and shoot.

    Repeat.
     
    F2CMaDMaXX and ron like this.
  16. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    By the way, this is on it right now - an original El Paso zoomy Weaver - 3-9x40. Yet another find, this time in Gold Beach OR.

    upload_2019-3-26_13-13-27.png

    Warne rings, of corsp.
     
    F2CMaDMaXX, MountainBear and ron like this.
  17. Aero Denezol

    Aero Denezol
    Salem
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    1,026
    Likes Received:
    1,930
    K31 were plentiful up until just recently when they vanished. I shot a K31 the first time earlier this year. The recoil is a nice and easy push... The action and lock up feel solid. The straight pull took a few shots to get used to, but no big deal. These are very high quality rifles IMO. I would love to have one.
     
  18. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    On another forum, a skilled gunsmith/machinist opined that to replicate the action of the K31 today. with similar grades of steel, speical heat treatments et al, would hit North of $3K. The reason why you'll occasionally see a K31 with a serial number EPN'd on the bolt shroud is because the armourer's stock is devoid of any numbers, and the part is too hard to stamp with the new serial.

    upload_2019-3-26_13-49-7.png

    For interest, please note that back home in Switzerland you can pay around $800 to have a new barrel fitted to your $50 K11.
     
    Phantom Man and MountainBear like this.
  19. MountainBear

    MountainBear
    Oregon
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,829
    Likes Received:
    6,361
    Yes, eventually if/when I get one, it will eventually cause me to give money to the Montana boys...

    Mmm, diopter sights....:rolleyes:
     
  20. tac

    tac
    UK, Oregon and Ontario.
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,832
    Likes Received:
    11,974
    ...and unlike the W+F Swiss versions, the SP model does up to 1000m. They are also blessed by the Swiss Shooting Federation, not that the Swiss shoot at any ranges longer than 300m.

    Did you know that a K31 has also won at Camp Perry recently?

    Note for all interested parties - Swiss Products, uh, products can only now be obtained from the source, ie., Swiss Products in Kallispel MT.
     
    MountainBear likes this.

Share This Page