Washington Just wow. Washington Is About To Ban EVERYTHING!

[Nosferatu]

The only long term solution really is this. There needs to be a law and/or initiative that "qualified immunity" for government officials does not apply when violating constitutional rights. It is already case law for law enforcement who do that; it is not an insurmountable legal path to get that to apply to other government officials and agents, elected or appointed.

Unfortunately the ones who would have to introduce the bill are the same ones who would be effected by it. Never gonna happen as long as political office is a career choice. The only thing they are consistently good at applying to themselves are raises.

 

[Oro]

Unfortunately the ones who would have to introduce the bill are the same ones who would be effected by it. Never gonna happen as long as political office is a career choice. The only thing they are consistently good at applying to themselves are raises.

That's one of three mechanisms to achieve that end. The other two are through initiatives or judicially. It's not impossible.

 

[misterarman]

Unfortunately the ones who would have to introduce the bill are the same ones who would be effected by it. Never gonna happen as long as political office is a career choice. The only thing they are consistently good at applying to themselves are raises.

Hey, I know. We can vote on it. As long as we don't let them count the votes at night.

 

[FnM]

The only long term solution really is this. There needs to be a law and/or initiative that "qualified immunity" for government officials does not apply when violating constitutional rights. It is already case law for law enforcement who do that; it is not an insurmountable legal path to get that to apply to other government officials and agents, elected or appointed.

That's an outstanding idea! I'm all in. Where do I sign?

 

[Hoopster]

"Qualified Immunity" much like "Absolute Immunity" protects government actors as well as Judges from monetary damages only, it does NOT protect them from declaratory Judgements (litigation that seeks a declaration that a specific act/action was unlawful/unconstitutional) so a Judge or other official can be sued and the relief granted can include a Judicial ruling that, for example, said defendant/respondent violated their "oath of office" then that ruling can be relied upon to remove said government official/Judge from office.

The problem with no monetary penalties is that the "esteemed" members of the BAR associations don't get a payday so they have no interest in the pursuit of these types of claims.

 

[jimw234]

This is nuts!
Get ready Washington.

Banning is one thing. Trying to enforce this altogether different.

 

[jimw234]

Well, yeah. We've been discussing HB 1240 for the past several months, along with 1143 and 5708.

The tyrannical team of Jay and Stupid Bob pulled out all the stops and actually had these bills pre-written and provided to the legislature when the session opened. Many willing sponsors were ready; hearings were held in Olympia where our side was well-represented and provided about four times as much testimony and objections to the bills as the well-funded anti-side. Of course, the gun-control advocates prevailed (just like our mysterious past several election cycles in this state). When the votes were tallied in the committees and both houses, of course the bills passed almost strictly down party lines.

The masthead of the Washington Post reads, "Democracy Dies in Darkness."

The motto of the liberty-loving citizens of our state should be, "Democracy Dies in Washington State."

Gotta love mail in voting right?

 

[Alexx1401]

Banning is one thing. Trying to enforce this altogether different.

Sadly that is not how it works and will not probably in my lifetime. The ban for now just means no dealer will be selling these. Those who have one can not buy more unless they do so in violation of the law. Some will choose to do this but most will not. As much as so many want to pretend it will happen they are not going door to door to take anything. They do not need too.
As for mail in voting this is another thing people who will not bother to vote love to blame for all the ills. Mail in voting does not do us good or bad when so many gun owners refuse to bother at all, refuse to even register, throw away their ballot, and such. Yes there is some cheating. Always has been always will be. People making excused why they can't be bothered to vote, and vote well is what sinks us every two years. Been proven over and over again that a HUGE swath of gun owners pay zero attention to what is going on until after its happened. Often years after it happens they are still "just finding out".

 

[Diamondback]

And what happens when you DO NOT return a marked ballot even if marked "NONE OF THE ABOVE" is that vacancy leaves room for some (D)irtbag fraudster to cast a vote FOR YOU without your knowledge or consent. All they need is a name on the voter rolls and no record of a ballot returned...

 

[Jay Walk]

And they laughed and they laughed.

Apr 19
House concurred in Senate amendments.

Passed final passage; yeas, 56; nays, 42; absent, 0; excused, 0

 

[brassman5050]

This is nuts!
Get ready Washington.

 

[brassman5050]

Well done

 

[DivCurlGrad72]

Washington's new laws are bound to result in lawsuits and will inevitably be struck down by the courts. Already, organizations such as the Firearms Policy Coalition have begun litigation, and they are likely to win. The laws blatantly disregard the plain language of the Second Amendment and go against the Supreme Court's recent decision in Bruen v. NYSRPA, which fully protects the right to keep and bear arms as a first-class constitutionally protected right.

Washington State's Pointless and Unconstitutional New Gun Laws

 

[FnM]

I wouldn't put all my chips on that. At what point does one realize the responsibility to disobey an unconstitutional law outweighs compliance?

 

[Alexx1401]

I wouldn't put all my chips on that. At what point does one realize the responsibility to disobey an unconstitutional law outweighs compliance?

At what point do individuals want to become a "test case"? Since it can easily mean your life in ruin not many sign up. The bumper stickers sound great but there is real life too. Becoming a test case can mean being willing to lose everything including freedom. This for people who will not even bother to vote and laid down for the great hoax. So that shows you the kind of backing you will have. Anyone who wants to do this is of course free to do so but, they have to walk in eyes wide open. Be careful making that bed as you will have to lay down in it.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Anyone who wants to do this is of course free to do so but, they have to walk in eyes wide open.

Good advice here.

Something else to consider :

If you are disgusted with a firearm law...and are willing to break it....
It is wise to not go on a internet forum and proclaim it.

Some things are best done as low key and with as little fanfare as possible.
Andy

 

[FnM]

Good advice here.

Something else to consider :

If you are disgusted with a firearm law...and are willing to break it....
It is wise to not go on a internet forum and proclaim it.

Some things are best done as low key and with as little fanfare as possible.
And

Another consideration:
Complacency and submissiveness are luxuries of the subjected

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Another consideration:
Complacency and submissiveness are luxuries of the subjected

I agree however...
Complacency and submissiveness are luxuries not exclusively "owned" by the subjected.
Andy

 

[FnM]

I agree however...
Complacency and submissiveness are luxuries not exclusively "owned" by the subjected.
Andy

They would be sorely disappointed if they come for my guns and I haven't any desire for anything on their most wanted list anyway. All I'm saying is when is enough enough? This isn't just about our 2nd amendment rights. Our 1st amendment is under attack as well. For god's sake… We are put on a terrorist watchlist for using the word 'patriot'.

 

[DivCurlGrad72]

Democrat Jay Inslee was voted out of Congress in 1994 after he voted in favor of the federal assault-weapons ban, ...
Last month, Mr. Inslee, who is now the governor of Washington, signed into law a state assault-weapons ban, illustrating a shift on the issue in Democratic-controlled states ...
"This is now an electorally winning issue," said Mr. Inslee.

Ten states, all heavily Democratic, now have an assault-weapons ban.

Assault-Weapons Bans Gain Momentum in Democratic-Controlled States - WSJ