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I have been wrestling with myself over whether or not to comment, but considering how much I've seen from the OP, I have decided to speak my piece.

First issue of business: no one cares your son is autistic and I personally find it somewhat sad you'd throw him under the bus in your first sentence describing a situation where you take issue with the outcome. Imagine if he knew his own father was parading him around online as his "autistic son" not his "son". He may be autistic but he is your son who happens to have autism. It's a struggle, and I empathize, but I can't abide parents opening their child's future with "my autistic child..." I find it somewhat sad. First order of leadership or parenting is ownership. Opening up with "my autistic son..." is heart breaking.

Second: You claim to be former LEO, and I see nothing in your statements that would ever give me faith in you as an officer should I have called and you arrive on scene. You want nothing to do with a system you once were a part of and (presumably) supported. I can't speak to your experience within and what may have been, but you have an air about you that reeks of ill will, and I'd take that into account. It gives reason for pause and fuel for those who challenge police as is.

Third: you open with a crime "I should form 1 my SP5". yeah, I'd get on that and never post such a thing online while griping about the law rolling up on your place. Little sympathy here, my friend, I don't break the law because LEO's like you might show up and I'd be holding the bag. ; ) Don't begin to hold double standards. I'm pretty staunch 2A, but I live in what resembles USA and follow our laws so I don't make a good headline. This lack of thought from someone is former LEO will most certainly be keen for people if for some reason you were busted with it. Edit that post and remind me to edit this too.

Fourth: Chill bro, nothing happened. Something has you wound up and it shows to all of us and raises more eyebrows than mine or who posted, I guarantee it. This of all things was likely more concerning than the fuzz showing up on a bunk call.

Had I a weaker mind, I'd ponder why he called at all.
 
I have been wrestling with myself over whether or not to comment, but considering how much I've seen from the OP, I have decided to speak my piece.

First issue of business: no one cares your son is autistic and I personally find it somewhat sad you'd throw him under the bus in your first sentence describing a situation where you take issue with the outcome. Imagine if he knew his own father was parading him around online as his "autistic son" not his "son". He may be autistic but he is your son who happens to have autism. It's a struggle, and I empathize, but I can't abide parents opening their child's future with "my autistic child..." I find it somewhat sad. First order of leadership or parenting is ownership. Opening up with "my autistic son..." is heart breaking.

Second: You claim to be former LEO, and I see nothing in your statements that would ever give me faith in you as an officer should I have called and you arrive on scene. You want nothing to do with a system you once were a part of and (presumably) supported. I can't speak to your experience within and what may have been, but you have an air about you that reeks of ill will, and I'd take that into account. It gives reason for pause and fuel for those who challenge police as is.

Third: you open with a crime "I should form 1 my SP5". yeah, I'd get on that and never post such a thing online while griping about the law rolling up on your place. Little sympathy here, my friend, I don't break the law because LEO's like you might show up and I'd be holding the bag. ; ) Don't begin to hold double standards. I'm pretty staunch 2A, but I live in what resembles USA and follow our laws so I don't make a good headline. This lack of thought from someone is former LEO will most certainly be keen for people if for some reason you were busted with it. Edit that post and remind me to edit this too.

Fourth: Chill bro, nothing happened. Something has you wound up and it shows to all of us and raises more eyebrows than mine or who posted, I guarantee it. This of all things was likely more concerning than the fuzz showing up on a bunk call.

Had I a weaker mind, I'd ponder why he called at all.
OK now that you have presented your case the comment about form 1 was meaning that I wanted to be able to put a stock on it not just leave it a pistol, I haven't done anything yet so there's no crime that you were referring to.
And it is legal here once I do the paperwork to actually do that but until then I would not think of it because indeed it is a crime if I were to do so without paying the tax stamp and paperwork.
And I take into question you being able to ascertain what I was meaning with my comments. For you to assume I was already committing a crime it's just that; an assumption.
You of course are entitled to your opinion but it is just that; your opinion and sometimes peoples opinions don't have as much merit as one would like to think they do.
 
Why does a cell phone's GPS tracking, automatically activate for 911 calls?

Imagine that you're pinned in the wreckage of your over-turned truck, in a ravine, 30 miles from the main road. You can just manage to reach your phone and dial 911 before passing out. Or, maybe you're the first on the scene at a mugging/injury/fire and, "uhhh, somewhere east of____. " isn't good enough...

Where do you want the first responders to go....
A) to your home address as listed by your Cell Provider ?? :s0154:
or....
B) to your cell phone's GPS location ?? :s0155:

Ya.... that's why.
YEP!! This is one of the few times the Feds stepped in and did something I supported. It did cost money but it made perfect sense for just this reason. They too often had people call for help with a cell who could not talk, or just did not know where the hell they were. Now they get a GPS location.
While back the Feds started forcing local PD's to do the same with radio's. It was HUGELY expensive but again needed. I well remember one local Cop who walked up to a car and was shot in the face. He was calling for help but they could not understand him. So they had to do a roll call of every Officer on that channel till they could find the one missing then start looking. Now his radio tells them who he is as soon as he keys up.
 
If there was a "Be mean to Americans" training, I sure as hell missed it.

And for all the people who think encounters with police are increasingly dangerous.....how do you explain the lack of statistical evidence to support that? The number of people killed by police every year hovers around 1000. We are actually coming in under that so far this year at a projected 880.
 
If there was a "Be mean to Americans" training, I sure as hell missed it.

And for all the people who think encounters with police are increasingly dangerous.....how do you explain the lack of statistical evidence to support that? The number of people killed by police every year hovers around 1000. We are actually coming in under that so far this year at a projected 880.
Big media doing what it does best, lie. I have seen some polling where they ask people how many "unarmed" people are shot by Police every year. There are some astounding numbers given by people who really do believe the insane numbers they toss out. They believe it because they are told every day this is how it is.
 
OK now that you have presented your case the comment about form 1 was meaning that I wanted to be able to put a stock on it not just leave it a pistol, I haven't done anything yet so there's no crime that you were referring to.
And it is legal here once I do the paperwork to actually do that but until then I would not think of it because indeed it is a crime if I were to do so without paying the tax stamp and paperwork.
And I take into question you being able to ascertain what I was meaning with my comments. For you to assume I was already committing a crime it's just that; an assumption.
You of course are entitled to your opinion but it is just that; your opinion and sometimes peoples opinions don't have as much merit as one would like to think they do.
We'll ignore the rest together, I presume ; ) For me, I'm over this thread. It's sad and makes me question things I didn't initially. I'm gonna take a shower.
 
Big media doing what it does best, lie. I have seen some polling where they ask people how many "unarmed" people are shot by Police every year. There are some astounding numbers given by people who really do believe the insane numbers they toss out. They believe it because they are told every day this is how it is.
I like to play with numbers.

0.0016% of people who are contacted by police, are shot.
 
I like to play with numbers.

0.0016% of people who are contacted by police, are shot.
I have always told people its amazingly easy to NOT get shot too. When I was a kid I was a HUGE PITA to the Cops. Amazing I never got in "real trouble". Back then if you shot your mouth off they would smack you good. Many a time got caught drinking and or high. Never got smacked around. Reason? When caught I did not let fly with calling them pigs. Many of my buddies did and paid. Next day while they were nursing wounds and whining I would say "was it worth it? What did you achieve?" Now days I often read of people stopped who "claim" the stop was bogus. Maybe it was, fine. The place to fight it is in court, not the side of the road with the Cop.
 
I hear you Johnny.

I don't have the years exactly right because they vary from city to city, and county to county, and state to state, but...

40 years ago, cops ringing a doorbell was most often not a dangerous encounter.
Today, it is most often a dangerous encounter.
That is a reflection of the demise of American society.

Cops are people who want to live, the same way that other people want to live.
Their modern state of readiness and suspicious nature is a natural reaction to the increasing frequency with which this society wants to shoot or attack or sue or file charges against them, and the lack of support they receive when faced with those attacks.

This thread: the autistic son of an ex-LEO dialed 911. The call originated from an identifiable address. The call came from a phone not attached to an active phone service account. A return call was thus not possible. The dispatcher dispatched police to the scene in response to the call.
That is a totally normal and predictable outcome.

The ex-LEO at the scene is surprised that police were dispatched, and unhappy that they responded in a state of readiness. Okay.

His claim is that as an ex-LEO, he knows that the LEO's who banged on his door, and thus caused his autistic son to open the door (?) before anyone else in the house could say or do something to stop the door from being opened, are trained to be nasty to Americans. Okay.

I'm a member of this forum. I responded.

As i said before, I suggest that there is almost no difference in principle between cop-hating cop-bashers on gun forums and BLM cop-defunding arsonist looters using fake claims of racism as justification for burning and looting cities.

If I'm not mistaken, OP's claim is that his expertise informs him that cops are trained to be nasty to Americans, and that is his justification for being surprised and angry that cops responded to a 911 call placed by an autistic person from his house.

I counter.
This society is based on the rule of law.
Everything that happened to the OP (basically nothing happened to the OP) after his kid dialed 911 seems totally normal and predictable EXCEPT for OP's reaction to the predictable outcome.

In this discussion, gun forum members have been divided into two groups (roughly):
"those damn dirty coppers"
and
"what the hell are you people whining about? Of course the cops showed up!"


It is at least 50% probable that you interpreted it correctly and I am typing nothing for no reason. :D

Wikipedia evolution -
Stage 1 - Cool!
Stage 2 - This is crap!
Stage 3 - cleaned up, reviewed, evidence based, fully cited. Often but not always impartial.

IMO - not worthless. The citations are often high quality.

BUT - no one has to rely on wikipedia, because the internet is huge and full of quality reference materials on every subject, and so are libraries.

So perhaps your Wikipedia query is a tiny red herring?

If we need evidence of some thing to arrive at some common ground, that evidence is almost certainly available from sources other than wikipedia.

My specific point was this:
Logical argument has provided the pathway for the advancement of human civilization for more than 2000 years. This is fully documented. It is why many "Government 101" college course begin with a primer in logical argument.
For more than 2000 years, a list of fallacies has been defined and curated, for the express purpose of rejecting them outright rather than having to defeat them by argument every time some uninformed person begins to lose an argument and then results to fallacy to try to save his or her position.
The correct course of action is to accept defeat when your argument has been soundly and validly refuted, and abandon it in favor of the position which is logically correct. That is the path to advancement.
It helped create our republic 2000 years after it was used to form various early republics in the ancient Greek era.
The two greatest debates in our formation happened at Philadelphia and then amongst the public at ratification. A great number of self-reliant revolutionary gun-toting freemen were convinced to give distant strong centralized federal government a chance because the idea was well supported by good arguments and no other better option was elevated above it by convincing argument.
The crowning achievement of the anti-federalist political movement was a Bill of Rights, believed to be unnecessary by most Federalists.
But I digress.

Wikipedia is good enough to elucidate the above reality for persons who are not familiar with it.

I remain unsure whether you were just casually replying in your first response, or intentionally employing fallacy, so I responded in a way to cover both bases. [clink beer mugs here]

Gun forums have the potential to unite a large political base, but they unfailingly devolve into a morass of unstructured argument that relies on opinion and emotion rather than fact or logic.

It doesn't bother me that a wall of text is necessary to point out that sad irony, so every now and then, I make the point.

Too many people embraced the 140 character paradigm of twitter, and ignore long posts, so not many people read this stuff, but I still enjoy the discussion, and over time you can see that some people still respond and there is still a core of good thinkers on every gun forum.
Good meaning good.
Thinker meaning thinker.

Thx.
So there IS a chance!
 
a: a sulfate of any of various metals (such as copper, iron, or zinc)especially : a glassy hydrate of such a sulfate
b: OIL OF VITRIOL

🤪
That's interesting.. one of the earliest very effective antibiotic salves was made unknowingly but repeatedly by boiling garlic and whatnot IN A COPPER VESSEL FOR TWO DAYS.. bold by/in original recipe.
 
In defense of OP's concern for police officers showing up to his house.

Although I generally appreciate the job police do when dealing with the dregs of society, unless I dialed 911, there is unfortunately not a long list of positive outcomes in the interaction, compared to the long list of potential negative ones. I try to keep conversations polite, relevant only to legally required to divulge information, and short.
 
So there IS a chance!

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My autistic child accidently dialed 911 today (Sat). But here is the messed up part, the phone he used is no longer in service yet they were able to trace it to my home anyway...
I guess what they say is true, they know everything anyway so I might as well form 1 my SP5. If the time comes to kick down my door to take my guns it wont matter if I form 1 them or not...

They took the typical "at the ready stance" when addressing me. The one talking to me walked down to my yard after pounding on my door (before I opened the door, not after of course), shifted to the side to get me to expose myself more while talking to him (did not work, I knew what they were doing) the other two took a 9 and 3 o'clock stance on the sides of him in the fake "relaxed look mode" it was obvious they knew there were guns in my residence and wanted to be ready for a possible encounter. The two on either side of the addressing individual could take me out if I did anything. I am ex leo myself so I know the drill. The problem is that I would not do anything stupid and my child was right there, but the mere fact that they were expecting a problem outright and they allowed that to control their behavior is troubling. Back in my day we knew the drill but we were also taught how to spot when a problem might occur, not just assume that one was going to happen right from the get go....

I need to move the f_uck out of this city and state... the anti-gun sentiment, the liberal/leftist politics is making it unbearable to live here...

That's the new way of law enforcement. I know when anything co.es off and they are called they want one outside to talk to and one inside. When they enter there will be two or three of them inside. One will be talking to you and the others will be checking everything you have out looking for sh!t you shouldn't have.
Never let them in and only give them enough info so they get the hell out of there.

No disrespect to our law enforcement people, but they have a job to do and some take it a little bit to far.
 
And I prefer the 200" of snow in the winter. You'll never experience silence like that anywhere else in this world, except maybe just "one time", a couple minutes after jumping out of a plane - without a parachute

The days of silence (while conscious) are over for me. In either case, it would still be a "tinnitus" winter… or a HANO (High Altitude No Opening) jump hearing the "ringing and high-freq squealing" all the way.

Such is fate.
 
Exactly!!!

Same as with people immigrating from a socialist country and then once here trying to change our county into the same type of system they were use to back in their home country "because it just does not feel right in their new adopted country so they want to make more like their old home" A quote from my ex Russian immigrant wife who could not let go of her communist past/thinking.
Made me immediately think of Ilhan Omar.... you can take them out of the sh*thole, but...... well you know the thing.
 
The days of silence (while conscious) are over for me. In either case, it would still be a "tinnitus" winter… or a HANO (High Altitude No Opening) jump hearing the "ringing and high-freq squealing" all the way.

Such is fate.
I hear ya man. Well... likely I don't. But, this comment certainly rings true for me as well.:s0069:
 
I have to agree with this. Upon arrival it's expected for LEOs to be concerned about their own safety and act accordingly however if after they realize there is no danger to themselves or the others then they could most certainly calm down and lighten up' a bit - I am NOT saying drop their guard or become complacent but a but more 'humanity' could be in order.
On the other hand, THEIR whole world is being made into an "us vs them" and much of it is not by their choosing, although I'm sure that happens in places. They are attacked constantly (physically and verbally), critiqued by EVERYONE, treated unfairly in courts and media, and badmouthed in places like this forum. This chit spreads... is it any wonder they come out to a call with a chilly attitude. The friendly cops are being beaten into the ground and retiring... soon we will only have the bad attitude cops left.

Thankfully, I've only ever been treated with respect, professionalism, and a friendly attitude by LEOs during traffic stops and by Asst DA during one misunderstanding that was settled amicably. Maybe small town vs big town experience, IDK. But I've always greeted responders with a smile, while my H.S. friend that complains about treatment greets them with attitude. Cops are human and most humans respond to people the way people respond to them. I'm still amazed how patient cops are with jerks and how well they treat them until the jerk decides to further misbehave.
 
The days of silence (while conscious) are over for me. In either case, it would still be a "tinnitus" winter… or a HANO (High Altitude No Opening) jump hearing the "ringing and high-freq squealing" all the way.

Such is fate.

I hear ya man. Well... likely I don't. But, this comment certainly rings true for me as well.:s0069:
Do we need to start a "Tinnitus Sufferer's Support Group"?
Count me in that group too.
 
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