It seems that here in UK, terrorists want guns....

[tac]

No ****, Sherlock.

Counter-terror boss warns over gun supply 'links' between gangs and extremists - AOL News UK

Quote -

Half of the terror plots disrupted in the UK in the past two years involved extremists who tried to buy guns, the national police chief for counter-terrorism has revealed.

Concerns about firearms falling into terrorist hands are running high amid a record level of gun seizures in London and similar spikes across a number of major British cities.


With an almost total lack of handguns, and NO semi-auto centrefire log arms at all, legally-owned firearms in this country would provide slim pickings indeed for any would-be terrorist.

It would be interesting to see a bunch of fired-up home-grown terrs, armed with hunting rifles and muzzleloaders taking on the might of SO19 and the SAS with their all their up-to-the-minute kit.

tac

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[slimmer13]

"One gun in the wrong hands in a public space is all it takes to cause devastation."

Anyone who has an ounce of resourcefulness and the will can A, either find an illegal gun anyway no matter how draconian the laws are or B, find an alternate form of mayhem (Nice) that rivals or far surpasses the lethality of firearms.

These people ignore the fact that you cannot legislate the evil out of people and unless you take away all free will, they could choose to use it to harm others.

It sounds to me like this article is the beginnings of a push for storage requirements in the UK, such as at a range etc. They will never have enough of your freedom, they will never be satisfied.

 

[Stomper]

And they're already working on taking away free will via prescribed pharmaceuticals...

 

[3MTA3]

Just relax everybody. Even in European countries where guns are still legal, it is absolutely, positively illegal for terrorists to have guns. They will simply have to resort to legal methods to carry out a devastating attack like electing Hillary Clinton as a national leader.

 

[PaulB47]

"There is low availability of illegal firearms in the UK compared with European and international partners but it is not an advantage that we take for granted, and to maintain that advantage we must not stand still."

Hmmm, this does not strike me as an advantage. Unless one is a member of the ruling class...

Anyway, the black market will provide criminals with what they need, as it always does. In fact prohibition is a great economic boon to criminals.

 

[tac]

Hmmm, this does not strike me as an advantage. Unless one is a member of the ruling class...

Anyway, the black market will provide criminals with what they need, as it always does. In fact prohibition is a great economic boon to criminals.

What ruling class is that? I see no evidence of a ruling class, and remember that I know the local lord, who often comes over, pays his pound, and rides our trains, just like anybody who goes for a s**t every morning before he faces whatever the day might bring..

tac

 

[Idaho44]

Mark Rowley, who is national policing lead for counter-terrorism, said there are potential links between street gangs and extremists when it comes to gun supply.

Getting guns in Britain has never been a problem for those who want them. There are lots available if you have a reliable source and aren't stupid. Just like here in the USA, you just don't walk into a pub and announce you want to buy a gun. Boat traffic between the UK and Europe is wide open 24x7.

 

[Slobray]

Anyway, the black market will provide criminals with what they need, as it always does.

And freedom loving individuals.


Ray

 

[PiratePast40]

And in other breaking news, there are reports of people getting wet when it rains. The government has promised a $500 million grant to study the causes behind this disturbing development.

 

[nwslopoke]

Terrorist acts only take seconds to a few short minutes. These people are on a one way ticket to paradise. Long standoffs with authorities is old think. I seem to recall the UK is fairly knife heavy. Shotguns and pipe bombs are not difficult to aquire. Again, criminals want to escape and profit from their evil deeds. Terrorist do not.

 

[Certaindeaf]

"They can't have guns but they can have our country" is not really logical.

 

[RicInOR]

Thinking about a knife? Think again. Try a pointy stick. Nope. Umbrella?
Cowering in fear. In 1 lifespan - from stopping the Germans, to being always afraid.

UK seeks to increase penalties for carrying knives

London knife crime rises to four-year high - BBC News

Tougher penalties proposed for carrying a knife - BBC News



For now, EDC legal* knives are sub 3″, no lock folders.
For all their health and safety, why would they ever want to force people to use a LESS_SAFE tool?
(Like Oregon, you can own, have in your own home, a much wider variety of knives - it is the carry while concealed part that leads to the restrictions)
( * Since Brexit I no longer have any idea what designation, Great Britain, UK, etc., to use.)


I am pretty sure the crims bring in weapons the same way they bring in booze and wine - in their cars on the ferry. (taxes are lower on the continent) My source on this impeccable - Top Gear - they reviewed vans for bringing in booze. Or, was it 5th Gear? Mike & Edd?

 

[tac]

( * Since Brexit I no longer have any idea what designation, Great Britain, UK, etc., to use.)

What has the decision to quit the EU got to do with the name of the United Kingdom?

Regardless of what organisation it is a member of, the name cannot be changed.

For your elucidation -

United Kingdom consists of ALL of it - England, Northern Ireland Scotland and Wales.
Great Britain is the big island, which consists of England, Scotland and Wales. The Isle of Wight, about a mile or so off the central Southern estuary of the Solent River, is also part of the big island. The Isle of Man, situated between mainland GB and Ireland, is NOT part of the UK at all, but is a self-administering Crown Dependency, like Gibraltar. Same goes for the Channel Islands. formerly part of the Duchy of Normandy prior to the invasion in 1066, and therefore older in seniority than the rest of UK. They too are self-governing. That's why they, and the Isle of Man, still have handguns, and in the case of the Channel Islands, centre-fire semi-auto rifles. Northern Ireland also has handguns, but like the rest of the UK, no semi-auto rifles.

Clear?

tac

 

[nwslopoke]

He said, elucidation. Like that's a thing!

 

[3MTA3]

He said, elucidation. Like that's a thing!

A thing would be a noun - elucidation is a verb...

the definition of elucidation

 

[tac]

'Clarification'?

'Enlightenment'?

'Education'?

'Knowment'?

YOU choose, I'm going to eat my 1/2 pound venison burger with MANY onion rings .

tac

 

[Stomper]

I blame the public education system....

 

[Member 3687]

Despite Severe Gun Controls, UK Warns Of Terrorist Gun Attacks
Despite Severe Gun Controls, UK Warns Of Terrorist Gun Attacks

This week, UK authorities effectively admitted that the "gold standard" of gun control is not enough to protect the country from extremists that are intent on using illegally obtained firearms to commit terrorist violence. Warning that terrorists could bypass the country's strict laws, the UK's National Crime Agency and National Counter Terrorism Policing have issued a desperate appeal to the public for any information that could prevent terrorists and other criminals from acquiring firearms.

U.S. politicians could learn something from this episode. Efforts to ban commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms or prohibit firearm possession based on secret, and dubious, government lists won't prevent terrorist violence. Most of the UK prohibits nearly all semi-automatic firearms, and the licenses and certificates required for gun ownership can be denied for the thinnest of reasons. Further, the UK has strict firearms storage requirements, which subjects gun owners to <broken link removed> of their firearm storage arrangements. UK law enforcement seems to have little doubt in the ability of terrorists and other criminals to bypass these stringent measures.


So isn't this what we have been saying for years now that if you ban guns only the bad guys will have them.

 

[The Heretic]

Criminals and terrorists don't obey laws??

Who knew?!?!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/11/03/journey-firearm-legal-illegal/

 

[tac]

Hmmm, quite a lot of bullshirt in that quote, Sir.

1. 'Most of the UK prohibits nearly all semi-automatic firearms'. Well, no, it doesn't. The UK Government has a blanket ban of ALL centre-fire RIFLED firearms, but not shotguns or .22cal rimfire rifles and carbines. At least THREE companies here in yUK actually MAKE AR-type and 10/22 type firearms.

2. '...licenses and certificates required for gun ownership can be denied for the thinnest of reasons. No, they can't be denied for the 'thinnest of reasons'. EVERY UK citizen who is 18 y/o, of sound mind, sound health [no life-threatening stuff like epilepsy, or drug-necessitating mental issues] and no criminal record can apply for a shotgun certificate for sporting purposes. The police MUST provide VERY strong evidence for refusing the grant. Rifled firearms are somewhat different, and shotguns with a capacity of more than three cartridges also come into the category of firearm. Basically, there are THREE 'good reasons' in yUK law for acquring and possessing a Section 1 firearm -

a. Target shooting [you MUST be a club member - all clubs are Home Office approved, BTW].

b. Sporting hunting - called stalking here, over approved land with permission of the land-owner.

c. Vermin control - usual stuff, although foxes are the largest predator here now that the Romans have gone home.

d. A supplementary reason - animal dispatch - veterinarians and or farmers.

Again having satisfied all the tick boxes, the wording of the Act actually stipulates - '...the Chief Constable of the County Police Force, having satisfied himself that all the conditions for acquisition and possession having been met, he SHALL grant the Firearms Certificate to....'

3. '...which subjects gun owners to <broken link removed> of their firearm storage arrangements.' Again, not true, as written. It makes it sound as though a bunch of gubmint strong-armers come around and demand entry to your house to check your guns. Waaaaay off the mark, Sir. I've had a FAC here in UK since 1974, and I've been checked once, sometime in the late '80s, I recall dimly. You cannot be subjected to a spot check unless there are mitigating circumstances requiring it. The police CAN arrive on your doorstep, but you CAN send them away, and ask them to produce a warrant to gain lawful entry. However if the police do it, them there must be something seriously wrong in the air. ALL firearms interviews and inspections here in yUK are carried out by FEOs - Firearms Enquiries Officers, who are CIVILIAN employees of the Firearms and Explosives Licensing Department of your county police HQ. The only time they want to check your security arrangements is in the initial interview when they come around to make sure that you have adequate security arrangements in the form of properly-secured-to-the-wall gun safe, prior to you getting the FAC.

tac