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Is this still considered C&R?

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by bolus, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    heck of a big muzzle brake for it. :)
     
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  2. Qaolin

    Qaolin 1 A.U. from a G2 near Beaverton Old Army Cook Silver Supporter

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    WTF?!!!
     
  3. B5Ben

    B5Ben Boise Well-Known Member

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    Integral suppressor on a mosin?
     
  4. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    The whole thing is a giant black powder cannon made by Witt Machine for shot show. If you would try shouldering that you would need a new arm. Apparently they shot it off and it torn through most of the straps holding it down
     
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  5. Qjay

    Qjay Vancouver, not BC, Washington, not DC Active Member

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    I thought it was an Blunderbuss! Looks like fun, but I dunno if I'd want to be the one to pull the trigger with my own finger. Maybe a string? A loooooooong string...
     
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    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    So what, do they use a primed 7.62 x 54 case for ignition? Threaded the barrel into the back of the "cannon" section? That thing must weight 80 pounds?
     
  7. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    another pic
    Witt-Mosin-Nagant-Cannon-muzzle.jpg
     
  8. NONAME762

    NONAME762 Nowheresville Active Member

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    I wouldn't refer to this firearm as a Curio or Relic.

    The nicest thing I might say would be to call it a curiosity like that of a bearded woman.

    Other than what I could sell the barrel for as scrap to a recycler I don't see any value here.
     
  9. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Think broken glass, gravel, nails, nuts and bolts, tire chains, blinding flash and deafening roar, all coming at you at once.... Useless? ;):D
     
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  10. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    its not a C&R its classified as an antique due to being a muzzle loader I believe.

    As to its value it would make one heck of a Punt Gun for market hunting waterfowl. About 300grs of 2F black powder and a 4 oz of #2 birdshot should do nicely.
     
  11. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Since you can stuff a whole mosin in the barrel, you could use it to shoot mosins (with bayonets attached of course)
     
  12. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Do they still let that go on these days?
     
  13. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    ROFLMAO I don't think so. But after the balloon goes up who's going to care.
     
  14. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I've seen old pictures of the bow mounted Punt Guns in use. I know it's not allowed here, didn't know if it was "back east" or not.

    I think a LOT of things will be "inconsequential" if/when the proverbial balloon goes up.
     
  15. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    10-4
     
  16. NONAME762

    NONAME762 Nowheresville Active Member

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    Minus the blunderbuss shaped muzzle it reminds me of either a blunderbuss or fougasse weapon along a set path. Filled with lead shot ball bearings broken glass metal shavings and scrap metal one would think anyone or anything coming into contact with the wrong end of this upon detonation is a goner. Anyone still alive after the initial balloon goes up will be answering to a higher calling. The federal govt will be well down near the bottom.
     
  17. twa2471

    twa2471 Vermont Active Member

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    Negative it is Not a C&R, once it's modified in any way shape or form, it will no longer be a C&R ,,kinda like putting a ATI stock or something like that on a SKS,,it's no longer a C&R, it's a class 1 firearm then. Stupid I know,, but it is what it is. The law.

    In this case with the bore diameter as large as it is, it may just be considered a "destructive device" actually or even maybe a NFA item. I'm not up to speed on either classifications? So someone is really pushing the legal limits with this thing if not already gone way beyond whats legal unless they have the appropriate licenses covering such things. Perhaps someone with way more experience here with that classification of fire arm can advise you on that one much better than I.

    IMHO though,,,is damn foolish for even showing it here or any other place else at all,,,
    One could very well end up sitting next to Bubba in cell block B for the next 10 to 12,,seriously!

    I'd be taking this post down till someone knows for sure it's classification for sure. Then I'd only show it to someone , AFTER I had a BATFE letter in hand as to what's it's actual classification would be,,
    whom ever built it or has it in there hands/possession is walking a very slippery tight rope here if you ask me!!!

    But I'm not a lawyer or BATFE agent, so I could very well be way off base here ? But I'd be careful,,very very careful on this one.
     
  18. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    It was at shot show last year. they added a cannon to a mosin receiver so I was joking about C&R status. once you buy your C&R gun you can modify it all you want, though you probably cant sell it as a C&R gun once you do that.
     
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    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Needs a red dot mounted on top for quick acquisition of the target.
     
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  20. twa2471

    twa2471 Vermont Active Member

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    Exactly bolus,,and like I was saying about the SKS's and just changing a stock will change it's classification,,kind of ironic isn't it? Same darn gun, but somehow it's all of a sudden a entirely a different animal??? Just cause you put a different stock on it,,,HUH??

    I don't get it?? Oh well,,,bureaucrats ya know!!! I guess they have to find something to take up there time too I guess! Weather it makes any sense or not.