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Is the new Sig P516 pistol legal in WA?

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by sigboi, Feb 29, 2012.

  1. sigboi

    sigboi Seattle Active Member

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  2. djgaloot

    djgaloot Oregon City Member

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    Looks like most AR based pistols to me but they did a nice job with this one. Sweet.
     
  3. sigboi

    sigboi Seattle Active Member

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    It looks really cool! Sorry, I am a newbie to long(er) guns, so I don't know if the buffer tube makes it an SBR or something like that.
     
  4. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Well, are the usual AR Pistols or AK pistols considered SBR's in WA? I honestly don't know, as I believe Oregon defaults to the Federal NFA rulings.

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  5. FourTeeFive

    FourTeeFive PNW Washington State Active Member

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    It is a pistol, therefore legal in WA. Only if you put a stock on it is it an SBR.

    Same with any other AR pistol, AK pistol, Draco, MAC-10, etc.
     
  6. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Ah, so same as OR laws then. I believe if you put a fore-grip of any kind of on it, it would also make it an SBR.
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  7. Jim Zorn

    Jim Zorn Seattle Member

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    A foregrip makes it an AOW (any other weapon) not an SBR. AOW's require a stamp kind of like a suppressor and can be legal unlike SBR's which are only allowed to LE.
     
  8. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Jim, thanks! I didn't know that it made it an AOW. That is kind of cool to know.
    Though, I thought SBRs were legal in OR with a simple tax stamp as well? Or are you speaking of Washington there?

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  9. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    IF the buffer tube is required for function, as is the case here, it is not considered a stock. It is considered exactly what it is which is a buffer tube. This means it is a pistol. If you were to put a buffer tube on an AR that does not require one to function you may run into trouble.
     
  10. FourTeeFive

    FourTeeFive PNW Washington State Active Member

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  11. sigboi

    sigboi Seattle Active Member

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    I don't know much about the AR pistols, is the buffer tube long enough to be used like a stock to stabilize and shoot accurately like a rifle?
     
  12. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    I've always found they dig into my shoulder a bit too much for that. And you can't (I don't think) modify it much without breaking NFA.
     
  13. FourTeeFive

    FourTeeFive PNW Washington State Active Member

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    They've got a bit of foam on it but it isn't a buttstock. Not really sure how the ATF defines a buttstock but I'm sure you can find it somewhere.

    Most of these types of guns are most accurately fired using a sling and bracing the pistol by pushing it away from your body. Some various examples of this can be found on YouTube.
     
  14. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    The ATF dose not define butt stock.

    The ATF defines a rifle as; "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

    The AR pistols that require the buffer tube are NOT designed to be fired from the shoulder. This does not mean they can not be fired from the shoulder though.
     
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