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Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by clearconscience, Nov 2, 2009.

  1. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't put it past Obummer, but it takes a 2/3 vote of the senate to ratify a treaty. That's actually 67 votes. I don't see that happening, and the American people would go ape imho.
     
  3. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    If he wants a second American Revolution, maybe he will, but Ocommie is a political animal. The Socialist revolution in this country will be the death of a thousand cuts to our liberties until most of America wakes up and says WTF happened to our country. Unfortunately, by then it may be too late.
     
  4. jimwsea

    jimwsea Vancouver, Washington state Active Member

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    I did read parts of the "negotiating text". My understanding is that the new government would be the "Conference of the Parties" which would SELECT representatives for the "Exec. Body for Finance and Mitigation. This would be set up to run and enforce the Carbon tax, carbon credits, carbon Market (this would be where Al Gore gets richer), other taxes, penalties, interest, levies, payments, proceeds, compliance payments, contributions etc.

    In other words, another way to suck wealth from the wealthier nations and moving it around while cutting off their (international bankers, I guess) share. There are so many goals and mandates, so some will be unattainable, leading to more fines and penalties. Ultimately, we the people will be emptying our pockets if this is passed and implemented. How many things can you name that do not require the use of carbon in their manufacture or distribution?

    Here is a link to the document. The document does not read as if this country would have much say in decision-making, while being forced to make major changes in our lifestyles.
    http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2009/awglca7/eng/inf02.pdf
     
  5. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Look at it this way: The United States has about 8% of the world's population. The vast majority of the world's nations are ruled by tyrants and dictators. So, as Portland outrules all the rest of Oregon, the New World Odor (United Nations) is controled by despots who will overrule the freedoms that Americans once enjoyed. Leave it to the UN and America will never be free again!
     
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    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    China and India have made it clear that they want no part of environmental controls which would be mandated on them.

    So, if we sign this thing and they don't, the "emerging markets" just get another great competitive advantage on us. After all, we have to be "fair" and "share the wealth."

    These clowns can't get their one-world government if they don't first bring the US to its knees.
     
  7. CEF1959

    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    That right there tells me everything I need to know about this.

    If China and India end up kicking our butts, it will because of their strong emphasis on public education, which doesn't produce people who open discussions by posting things like that in public.
     
  8. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    It's not like you raise the intelligence quotient of any conversations here! ;)
     
  9. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    9. The "Legal & Political" section is to pertain to firearms only. There shall be no legal & political discussion and/or material outside of the "Legal & Political" section.

    There are many different people here with many different viewpoints on various issues. Like religion, discussing these issues here is highly likely to offend and very little good can come of it. We need to be focusing on the things that bring us together (firearms), not the things that have the potential to divide us (politics).
     
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