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Is NWFA Anti-Gun?

Discussion in 'Questions, Problems, & Feedback' started by Joe Link, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Well folks, after a good laugh, I really don’t know where to start with this. Those of you who know me know that in the spirit of transparency I prefer to discuss most important NWFA matters with our membership, so I figured I’d discuss this here.

    Several of our Supporting Vendors contacted me this afternoon regarding this email they received from an anonymous group supposedly compiling a list of anti-gun businesses. I can only assume they’ve sent this same email to all our Supporting Vendors, the ones who, in addition to our member donations, are to thank for keeping the lights on around here.

    All this in the wake of a several thousand dollar redevelopment of our site, to expand features provide a better user experience, and ensure stability for years to come. I have no doubt this coincides with the launch of our new version this weekend.

    Those of you with a smaller monitor might have trouble reading it, so I've attached it to this thread as well. This is an actual screen shot, though I blanked out the name of the sender.

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    I suppose I can start from the top, and I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt in that they are legitimately trying to help our pro-gun cause (a benefit which they quickly destroy).

    I’ve seen this work in the past, and I believe it’s a good thing. I’m a proponent of voting with my dollars. Strong start.

    Here’s where the fun starts! It couldn’t be more clear that the vast majority of NWFA members are conservative, I myself am a right-leaning libertarian. Their belief that our members, the site, or I myself am liberal shows either a blindness to the facts, or what I fear is extreme an bias toward anything or anyone not in agreement with them. NWFA has no political leanings, and we don’t run it with any sort of bias one way or the other. To my knowledge our moderators are all to the right of the spectrum, so if anything you’d think it’d be the opposite.

    Anti-Liberal gun owners? We’ll chalk that up to one of the many mistakes with their spelling and grammar; I’m sure they meant liberals. But they got me! I’ve said it over and over that I fully support Socialists, Communists, Greens, and believers of any other political ideology who want to work within their party to support the Second Amendment. We are all here in support of the Second Amendment, we are a Second Amendment website. Why wouldn’t we support a Trojan horse initiative?

    The second part of that sentence states we’re organizing this motley group for the purpose of opposing your gun rights. I really need to take a breath here. Surely they have to be joking, but this one stung a little. NWFA opposes gun owners’ rights? They don’t find what we do “reflective of preserving rights ”? Since the beginning, not only have we worked to foster grass-roots relationship building between gun owners, we’ve given free advertising to major gun groups such as the NRA, GOA, NSSF, and OFF. Seriously, who do these guys think are preserving and defending your rights? Our primary focus is bringing gun owners together. We’ll build the army, but we prefer to let the people with experience (such as OFF) plan and execute the battles.

    Of course they don’t want to debate or discuss this. They’d rather send out threatening emails throwing out false accusations.

    I draw the line when these people try going after those who provide funding for something we’ve all worked so hard to build over the past six years. If you’d like to help, if you enjoy NWFA, I encourage all of you to do your best to do business with our Supporting Vendors, and thank those members who have made a donation. These are the people who make this site possible, and the authors of this email know that.

    All in all, I hope they do distribute fliers telling people about the anti-gun nature of Northwest Firearms. I have no doubt nine out of ten people will visit, take a look, and quickly determine these people are full of crap.

    Cheers,
    Joe Link

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  2. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, big mystery as to the origins of this garbage.

    Butthurt crybabies who do far more to damage the causes of liberty and freedom than further the preservation of them. Attacking your livelihood over hurt feelers is pretty messed up.
     
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  3. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    It is probably mostly because I am here. Liberals are contagious and make it our goal to convert conservatives...no wait, that is gay people...oh, wait...I'm that too. Clearly it is all my fault that you are now a bunch of gay, liberal gun haters. BWAH-HA-HA!!! MY PLAN IS WORKING!!!

    Of course you must have caught anti-gun from someone else. I luvs me guns!
     
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  4. BGS2

    BGS2 Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    Well done, Joe.

    It sounds like a Nigerian Prince but we couldn't figure out what they want except to take the site down.

    It should be great publicity for us all if they do publish their list. lol

    Keep up the good work.
     
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  5. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    PS: It might also have a little to do with we people here in the NW tend to be a little smarter and we tend to be less tolerant of extreme right nutjobs that like to shout down every opposing opinion than some of the less evolved gun forums.
     
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  6. shootnscoot

    shootnscoot Wa Well-Known Member

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    We believe in your "writes", but do what we say without debate, or there will be consequences. Really you couldn't make this up if you tried.

    I've never actually clicked on any vendors links but i'll be sure to check them out now.
     
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  7. Qaolin

    Qaolin 1 A.U. from a G2 near Beaverton Old Army Cook Silver Supporter

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    Joe,
    I, for one, thank you and your moderators for the hard work you have put in. I have noticed the general tenor of this board has become quieter and more civil over the last several days since the authors of that letter have "taken their toys and gone home". I'm on several other boards and discussions on NWFA had become, to me, hateful,borderline seditious, and I was learning nothing about guns. I'm happy to return to NWFA again.

    Jim
     
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  8. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    So PlayboyPenguin are you admitting to slimer13's accusation and it is your fault?
    Now, that explain everything.

    LOL
     
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  9. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    I blame all of these things on PlayboyPenguin. Clearly he has corrupted everyone who has been here. Damn liberal... LOL
     
  10. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    Oh, the nutjobs come from all angles not just the far right. Actually the biggest nutjobs transcend that sort of pigeonholling.... (mostly because they use duck tape...lol)
     
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  11. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    Silence is Golden.

    But Duck tape is SILVER!~!!
     
  12. Don H

    Don H Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Looks like someone is promoting their new forum. If you can stomach the grammar and the fact that their keyboard doesn't have a return key, the wording of that message looks a lot like their 'read before joining.' What a joke. I really hope these aren't adults.
     
  13. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The terrible grammar and punctuation sure reminds me of a certain member who left this site recently.
     
  14. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Duct tape is usually silver but Duck (a brand name for a duct tape manufacturer) tape comes in many colors and designs. :wave: :wow:

    OK, now back to the topic: Anyone has a right to open a new site for what ever reason, but to "solicitate" for it like this is wrong.


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  15. xlsbob

    xlsbob coos county Platinum Supporter Platinum Supporter

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    I'll gladly continue my support of this site. I've made excellent deals through the classifieds and gotten a wealth of useful information that help me with my world of guns. Personally I hate sorting through a bunch of political and "I'm more pro 2A than you are" garbage to see if there is any new information I can use. Good luck to the tinfoil folks, I'm not interested
     
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  16. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    But in this case, lets lay blame where blame is due...it isn't the left causing this issue. It is the right.
     
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  17. Norm0931

    Norm0931 Hillsboro, OR Sgt. Sheep Silver Vendor 2016 Volunteer

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    I think there is a growing number of right-leaning / conservative Libertarians here and in the country as a whole. We've all seen from the couple of posts they made trying to rabble rouse their cause that much like any extremist dictator, anyone who doesn't agree with them is "a liberal." These are the people that hurt gun owners the most. They ARE the stereotypes that anti-gunners love to use against us.

    Honestly, I'd like to see the expression when they get sued by one of the supporting businesses for liable.
     
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  18. Norm0931

    Norm0931 Hillsboro, OR Sgt. Sheep Silver Vendor 2016 Volunteer

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    Penguin, it's not really your fault per say, it's OUR fault for not persecuting you for not agreeing with every aspect that we do. After all, you can never own a gun AND have voted for a Democrat or believe in pro-choice, or believe in homosexual rights.... If we were "real" gun owners, we would obviously hate you unconditionally. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I'm to old to hate anyone. But I sure can get annoyed. Joe is far more tolerant that I am. I moderate on a Photography forum with well over 800K of registered users from all over the world. And the crap this bunch of malcontents started would have gotten them all Banned for life on the photo site.

    Joe is a far better man then I am.

    And I'll be upping my donation level when it comes due here soon.
     
  20. Tim Barnes

    Tim Barnes Tigard, Oregon New Member

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    Yes, I am good with the free publicity from the dreaded "published list".......but the grammar....oh....please God don't let them screw up the grammar....... that email is a freekin joke, I've seen better letters from 6th graders. Saving the letter for giggles later....

    Tigard Pawn 4 More
     
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