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Is mandatory safe storage really a good idea?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    A weekend shooting in Arizona involving a 14-year-old might give some people second thoughts about a proposal for mandatory safe storage of firearms here in Washington State.

    Is mandatory
     
  2. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    No, it isn't a good idea. If I need a firearm, I need it NOW....not in five (or more) seconds.
     
  3. Mr. Ben

    Mr. Ben Snohomish Co. Active Member

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    No.
     
  4. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Regardless of whatever decisions government makes, ultimately it is me who decides which government mandates will be carried out in my own home.
     
  5. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    The concept is in court now in SF California, it has be declared unconstitutional in other juristictions (Heller in DC)...no, manditory safe storage is NOT a good thing.
     
  6. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    No!
     
  7. theguncrank

    theguncrank Columbia County Active Member

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    Phoenix Police spokesman James Holmes observed: “The police and indeed our community does not ever want to see a situation where a teenager of that age has to take a weapon to protect his family…but this young man did exactly what he should have done.”

    So there ARE still a few wise old law enforcement officers in big cities... Or maybe a new generation that gets it?

    When it comes to mandatory safe storage of firearms... no. If I or mine cannot put it to immediate use when faced with a threat, then we might as well be unarmed to begin with. Isn't that really the end goal of this nibble and chisel legislation?
     
  8. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Yes it is.
     
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  9. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Anything mandated by the government is a bad thing...which is why gun owners should be responsible in the first place and buy a safe and keep guns away from children before they make them mandatory!
     
  10. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    So you would of prefered the 14 year old didnt get the gun and save his,his sisters and brothers life? I for one am very happy that someone in that family taught there kids how to protect there lifes. I for one would not like to hear that they had died just inches away from protection from a foul criminal. I for one wish more kids could be taught the proper way to use and when to use any tool they could ever need. But I for one would always side with the innocent and not the guilty.
     
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  11. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    Oddly enough I recall an accidental death of a child about 4 years ago in Roseville, CA. that contradicts the reason for mandating a safe. An off duty officer had left his safe open about 10 feet from the workbench where he was cleaning one of his guns. His daughter (about 4 years old if I recall) wandered over to his safe and fatally shot herself with one of his handguns. Granted the odds of this happening were pretty slim but it did occur and does go to show you that a safe will not stop all accidental child shootings.
     
  12. FarmerTed1971

    FarmerTed1971 Portland, Oregon, United States Well-Known Member

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    While I think keeping firearms in a safe is a good idea I don't believe anyone telling me I have to keep them there is.
     
  13. slingshot1943

    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    Safety is between your ears, not in government mandates.
     
  14. JackThompson

    JackThompson Valley of the Demons Well-Known Member

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    Mandatory seatbelts are an atrocity and unconstitutional. Making people lock up anything is just bullying.

    If we keep accepting this garbage soon we'll be forced to wear bicycle helmets whenever we leave the house.
     
  15. Slowpoke

    Slowpoke Beaverton Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Seriously??? Why do you think race car drivers all wear seatbelts?

    Have you ever seen videos of unbelted people flying around inside their car?

    Driver falls asleep at the wheel - YouTube

    Well, I guess there is Darwin's law.
     
  16. JackThompson

    JackThompson Valley of the Demons Well-Known Member

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    There is exactly that.

    I wear my seatbelt at all times in a vehicle, even in parking lots. I want to live.

    What I don't want to do is be told it's a LAW and that I will be fined money if I don't wear one.

    There's a HUGE difference between what people should do and what people should be forced to do.

    If you want to drive without one and die, that should be your right.

     
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  17. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    This story could have gone the other way. Not the bad guy getting shot, but one of the younger kids messing around with dad's gun and shooting a sibling.
    I think having an instant access bio-metric safe bolted down in the parents bedroom and giving the trustworthy fourteen year old accessibility when needed.
    Solves both problems.
     
  18. Galant

    Galant portland Active Member

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    I would like to point out that the guy in youtube video was not injured . . . Not saying its a good idea to not use a seatbelt.
     
  19. JackThompson

    JackThompson Valley of the Demons Well-Known Member

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    I agree with that. Educate people. Train people. Encourage people.

    Kids should be shown what guns are in school. They should go through marksmanship class and learn how to clean, maintain and respect guns. They should be taught what responsible storage is.

    We should not be FORCED to store our own guns in a safe.

    The point is. Don't make new laws for the sake of making new laws.

    There is an equal justification to take away 90% of your freedoms.

    You might hurt someone with your words.
    Reading how to make a bomb might get some 14 year old killed.
    Drinking too much soda might make you fat and die.
    Having red cars might make you drive too fast and die.
    Loud stereos might make it so you can't hear an ambulance siren.
    Revealing clothes might cause drivers to lose concentration and kill someone.
    Someone worshiping a different god than you might endanger your immortal soul.
    Staring into the sun might make you blind.
    Going too long without sleep can lead to insanity and death.

    Let people live their lives.

    Mankind has managed to live this long without someone telling them how to take a poop.
     
  20. Slowpoke

    Slowpoke Beaverton Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Thank you for not taking it personally. I didn't mean it as an attack on you.

    As for people doing dumb things, I think there should be a "STUPID" fine. If you get in an accident, and you're not wearing a seatbelt, BAM, $1000. Accident while texting? Another $1000. If you rob or attack someone, and get hurt in the process, then YOU pay all expenses, legal and otherwise.

    In other words, take responsibility for your own actions.

    Just my :twocents: worth.