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Is it wise to assault a bank robber displaying a gun?

Discussion in 'Education & Training' started by Lance Jacobs, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That happened right here in Springfield, Oregon this afternoon, at the US Bank that is inside the Albertson's Grocery store on Main Street. 32 yr old Daniel B. Naillon-Webb, of Kelso, Wash. displayed a handgun, declared a robbery, and was given an undisclosed amount of cash by the Teller.

    However, before the robber could leave, he was assaulted by customers waiting in line behind him. One man grappled with the robber and threw him to the ground. Once on the ground, other customers piled on top of him, restraining the robber until the Springfield Police Dept arrived.

    Was this a smart or wise thing to do? As it turned out, the handgun was only a realistic looking replica.

    Would anyone here ever take such a risk like this?

    http://registerguard.com/rg/news/lo...assault-in-springfield-bank-incident.html.csp

    Here is the robber's booking photo:


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  2. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    We need sheep dogs like this I commend them. To lay down and let bad men do bad things is what as a society we've become.

    He could have shot someone on his way out if he was startled had that pistol been real, he could have hit a mother, child or elderly person in the parking lot while he sped off or a number of other scenarios.
     
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  3. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The Springfield Police did issue a statement warning how dangerous this sort of thing is to do. However, they also acknowledged the fact that due to the intervention of the civilians, the robber never had any chance to escape. The robbery was instantly foiled, and the suspect was immediately captured.

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  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    His nose is asemetrical to his left, the crowd should have corrected it for him while they had him pinned down.
     
  5. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I've got to say best not to. Better to not defend property at risk to so many.
    Now, if it appears that the robber is going to start shooting or try to leave with a hostage, probably a different story! I know he's not leaving with my spouse or a family member! For anyone else, if I can get a solid shot and the BG has his weapon pointed away from the hostage and crowd I would consider taking that shot. Maybe!
     
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  6. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well, the one thing that none of the news reports that I have read or seen touch on regarding this incident is whether the fellow that took the robber down was able to determine that the gun was not real.

    How difficult is it to spot a replica gun? Could it be done from say, 8 to 9 feet away?

    Or could someone even stay cool enough under such extreme stress, to be able to do that?

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  7. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Standing behind him in line...

    You bet!

    As soon as that pistol was not in someone's face, Id have donkey punched him in the back of the head. One shot knock out...
     
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  8. frauhunter

    frauhunter Central Oregon Member

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    I have considered this. With the understanding that imminent risk of injury or death to Innocents is a game changer, I have concluded that I will not involve myself in a bank robbery. If I were to become involved, the absolute extent of that involvement would be to disarm the perpetrators, escort them to their vehicle, return their now disabled weapons, and send them on their merry way with their ill gotten gains.

    My reasoning is simple. Bank robbery is a Federal offense investigated by the FBI. The Feds have made it abundantly clear that they do not want any interference in matters within their jurisdiction - witness Arizona's attempts to control Foreign Nationals Trespassing on American Soil.

    As a Loyal American, I support my government - bank robbers will get no interference from me.


    Ex Gladio Libertas
     
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  9. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    It's the old discussion between "enabling" and "preventing" crime. A Sheriff's Sgt. once told me in a really bad part of town, that if I was to be robbed, but was armed, and let it happen anyway, I was "enabling" bad behavior. The problem is, if you do otherwise, your legal bills will far surpass anything in that wallet you were protecting. You need to ask yourself whether you are willing to hold principle above pain. Of course, if everyone acted on principle, things would change.
     
  10. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Depends on a number of factors. I don't think it's possible to simply say it's right or it's wrong. Better to say it's right or wrong, for me, at that particular time. If I were there with my young daughter with me, my first duty is to protect her, not try and take him down, leaving my daughter unprotected in the process. If it were just me, it would depend on my assessment of the situation, and that will depend on factors such as whether I think the folks around me might be willing to be backup, whether I think I can outmatch him physically, or whether my actions could hurt someone else. I hate the thought of someone getting away with a crime, but sometimes, it's going to happen and there will be nothing I or anyone else may be able to do about it. If you can't intervene, become the best witness you can. Get your description down, watch how he makes his escape, get his license plate number, car description, heck, get him on cell phone camera if you can.

    I have intervened in a fight before where a guy threw a punch at another guy who was holding his daughter - the punch landed right between the guy and his daughter - they went down and I grabbed the guy who threw the punch, slammed him against the wall and locked his arms behind him. Once he calmed down, I made him sit down until the cops arrived. Only then did I find out that he was carrying a big knife, ala Crocodile Dundee, in the small of his back. Could have been worse, but it turned out okay then. I just hate seeing folks do something to hurt others, especially kids and those that can't defend themselves. Property crimes, like a robbery, might take a little different consideration.
     
  11. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    LMAO!!!
     
  12. CoastRange57

    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Each situation is different. If an individual is displaying a weapon in association with a crime, you have to assume he intends to use it. That puts me in fear for my life, and if you can do it, the shot needs to be taken. There are a ton of different ways, and only a suitable amount of training will determine if you can take the shot and be successful, or if you need to use a different force projection.

    Force projection needs to be violent and appropriate. If you have training in hands on force, and application to the right body points, you can instantly disable a person. A thumb and forefinger applied to the right spot will put some one on their knees. You could grab two fingers and snap them like a twig with the right positioning. Sideways kick to the knee is pretty effective as well.

    I saw a great defense item at the gun show a couple weeks ago, a monkey fist key chain. A lead or metal ball all braided up in a key chain with a retention strap. Quick grab and apply that bad boy real hard upside that guys temple, and he is going down like a rock. Apply the boots to his nuts then a couple of times and he is laying there waiting to be hooked up by LEO. This is nothing more than an old fashioned sap.

    There was a bank robbery in town about 30 years ago, this guy came in, did the robbery and this old guy got in his way and the perp shot him in the head and killed him.

    Therefore I have to assume that every time someone displays a gun in the commission of a crime, they intend to use it and the threat must be eliminated if at all possible.
     
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  13. MikeE

    MikeE Portland Well-Known Member

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    The best way to rob a bank is to own one.
     
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  14. LaserMan

    LaserMan Eugene, OR Active Member

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    If it's just money that is at risk then, no, I wouldn't intervene. If it isn't even my money then, hell no, I wouldn't intervene.
     
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  15. CoastRange57

    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    If someone is pointing a gun at somebody it is way more about than just the money...just saying. That gun can be pointed at you real quick like. Then it is sure as hell is about more than the money.
     
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  16. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    That's why I have direct deposit...last idiot to try to rob a bank out near where I live was Colton Harris Moore. Story I heard was he broke in at night through a window and didn't get much. I suppose I should read the book one day. Seriously though, I think it's and individual choice. Can you intervene non lethally? Part of me cause robbery just Torks me off would want to say : turn around buddy I'll give you my wallet...I am pretty sure I got 40 some dollars...yep I do. 45 and President Colt's picture is on the bills....

    Down side to that's is the cops just show up seconds after and I'd be the one with more 9 mil holes than an industrial cheese grater. Sure the NRA would proclaim me a martyr and I'd get my pitcher in the Rifleman but I'd still be just as dead to my wife and kids.

    Brutus Out
     
  17. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Post 02: We need sheep dogs like this...(yes, like!)
    Post 07: Standing behind him in line...(yes, yes, like, like!)
    Post 10: Depends on a number of factors...
    Post 12: Each situation is different. If...

    Situational awareness (practice) Where's the exit?
    Make a plan (one that when executed, somebody says "that wasn't fair"...)
    Carry a gun
    carry a knife
    carry a lead weighted monkey fist
    carry an asp
    Make a backup plan (one that when executed, others say "wished I'd thought of that")
    exercise your body so you can execute your plan
     
  18. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Then after having successfully executed all that, we go all Post #4 and practice our plastic surgery skills/aspirations, yes?!o_O :D
     
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  19. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Bandaids! I foregot to put Bandaids on the list!
     
  20. Deebow

    Deebow Portland Well-Known Member

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    People who pull out guns in polite company with a declared intent to do bad will be given no quarter by me.

    I will take their actions for what they are; the threat of force to be used upon me or others for any reason, or no reason at all in pursuit of whatever they have decided they are willing to harm others to get.

    I am not out to save the bank, their money, or society. I would only be concerned with saving me or my own family from someone who by displaying a gun, has shown me that they may turn their bad intentions toward me.

    Which would result in me ending their time on this planet and sending them spiritually on their way. :s0124: