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I have noticed a bunch of Hellcat pistols popping up for sale recently. Tigard Pawn brought in a new one last year and it's still sitting there. Is there a problem with them or are people just moving on to the next big thing.

This one is pretty close to being a good deal but I don't want to hop on board the Hellcat train if there are common issues owners are dealing with.

 
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I work with many new shooters and try not to bash any particular firearm, but I will point out the good and bad issues that I have encountered with them. With Hellcats, they are one of the most difficult to rack and lock back of any of the guns this size from what I have seen. The little bumps in the back and shallow grooves are more like suggestions than a positive grip for your hand. They tend to be "whippy" under recoil compared with other of the same size.

Those who I have seen on the line have been reliable shooters. If you have a strong grip - many I work with do not - the racking items noted above are likely a non-issue.
 
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The famous Hellcat carrier based fighter was the follow on to Grumman's F4F Wildcat, which in the hands of hard pressed sailors and marines had probably been the most successful of the U.S. fighter planes striving to hold off the superior Japanese Zero. At the Battle of Midway, on Guadalcanal, and in other desperate places, the Wildcat pilots had given a good account of themselves. But there was no denying that their stubby fighter was inferior to the Zero in speed, climb, maneuverability, and range. Only in roll rate and dive speed did the Wildcat have an advantage, and it wasn't enough.

The G-50 (as Grumman called it) Hellcat, designed in the Spring of 1942, reversed all of these deficiencies except range and climb. It was the only Allied fighter of the war that could dogfight with a Zero on fairly equal terms. In fact, even the Japanese admitted that the later model Hellcat could turn inside of the later model Zero at high speeds.

Grumman achieved this by extremely clever design to reduce structural weight, and the use of the powerful Pratt and Whitney Double Wasp (2,000 hp.) 18 cylinder twin row radial engine, which greatly improved climb and acceleration compared to the earlier Wildcat. This engine drove a three bladed 13 ft. diameter Hamilton-Standard Hydromatic constant-speed propeller. The Hellcat was a low wing monoplane of all metal, flush riveted construction. Other improvements included armor protection for the pilot, wide-track landing gear that retracted hydraulically, hydraulically folding wings, and increased ammunition supply. The Hellcat had a longer and slimmer fuselage than its predecessor, and although similar in layout, it is not hard to tell the two apart. The Hellcat just looks like the higher performance aircraft it is.

Like Grumman's previous Wildcat, the Hellcat's canopy design left a very large blind area astern. Grumman did not successfully address this flaw until the Hellcat was superceded by the F8F Bearcat.

The prototype XF6F-1 first flew in August 1942. It was very successful, and was put into production as the F6F-3 by the end of that year.

The F6F-3 first entered combat with the U. S. Fast Carrier Task Force in the raid on Marcus Island on September 1, 1943. From that time on, the Hellcat equipped fighter squadrons in the U. S. carrier air groups had the advantage over their Japanese adversaries. The F6F-3 was also supplied to the British Fleet Air Arm, as the Hellcat I. There was also a night fighter version with a wing mounted radar and a radio altimeter called the F6F-3N. Standard armament was 6-.50 cal. wing machine guns, and external loads of a 125 gal. drop tank, or up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs could be carried. Max. level speed was about 371 m.p.h. (see complete specifications below).

The Hellcat bore the brunt of the later carrier battles that destroyed the legendary fast carrier task force of the Imperial Navy. The majority of top U.S.N. aces flew the Hellcat. The biggest carrier air battle of the war was the Battle of the Philippine Sea (or, as Navy aviators called it, "the Great Marianas Turkey shoot"), of 19-20 June 1944. In this battle, Hellcat fighters distinguished themselves. Total losses of American aircraft (of all types and from all causes) were 130, with 76 airmen killed. Total Japanese loss of aircraft amounted to about 480, with a similar number of airmen lost. In addition, the Japanese lost three large aircraft carriers. The power of the Japanese fast carrier task force was broken, never to be re-built. And the Hellcat fighter was king of the skies over the Pacific for the rest of the War.

Specifications for the F6F-3 were as follows (from various sources):
Wing span: 42 ft. 10 in.
Length: 33 ft. 6.3 in
Height: 13 ft.
Wing area: 334 sq. ft.
Engine: Pratt and Whitney R-2800-10, 2,000 hp. at 1,000 ft.
Max. speed: 371 m.p.h. at 18,700 ft.
Best climb: 2,260 ft./min.
Climb to: 10,000 ft., 4.65 min.; 20,000 ft., 10 min.
Service ceiling: 35,000 ft.
Range: 1,495 miles with 125 gal. drop tank
Weight: 9,020 empty; 12,800 loaded
Armament: 6-.50 cal. MG; up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs.

The follow on model was the F6F-5 Hellcat of 1944. The Fleet Air Arm version was called Hellcat II. Improvements included water injection for the engine, a redesigned engine cowling, new ailerons, improved windscreen, strengthened pilot armor, an autopilot, and a waxed high gloss finish. These changes cleaned up the aerodynamics somewhat, resulting in improved performance (speed now over 400 m.p.h., with improved maneuverability). The F6F-5 could carry drop tanks, bombs, or rockets externally. Most were armed with the standard 6-.50 cal. MG, but some late production airplanes were armed with 2-20mm cannon and 4-.50 cal. MG. Max. climb rate was now up to 3,000 ft./min., and max. range up to 1,800 miles with external fuel. Service ceiling was up to 37,800 ft. The F6F-5 was the final production version of the Hellcat.

The Hellcat was the top scoring Allied Navy fighter of the war. Hellcat pilots shot down 4,947 enemy aircraft during World War II.

All Hellcat production ceased in 1945, after approximately 12, 275 Hellcats had been produced. The F8F Bearcat superceded the Hellcat. The Bearcat related to the Hellcat in the same way that the Hellcat related to the Wildcat, and the Bearcat was the highest performance of all piston engine U.S.N. fighters. The war ended before it entered combat, and the jet age was just beginning.


The end!
 
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The famous Hellcat carrier based fighter was the follow on to Grumman's F4F Wildcat, which in the hands of hard pressed sailors and marines had probably been the most successful of the U.S. fighter planes striving to hold off the superior Japanese Zero. At the Battle of Midway, on Guadalcanal, and in other desperate places, the Wildcat pilots had given a good account of themselves. But there was no denying that their stubby fighter was inferior to the Zero in speed, climb, maneuverability, and range. Only in roll rate and dive speed did the Wildcat have an advantage, and it wasn't enough.

The G-50 (as Grumman called it) Hellcat, designed in the Spring of 1942, reversed all of these deficiencies except range and climb. It was the only Allied fighter of the war that could dogfight with a Zero on fairly equal terms. In fact, even the Japanese admitted that the later model Hellcat could turn inside of the later model Zero at high speeds.

Grumman achieved this by extremely clever design to reduce structural weight, and the use of the powerful Pratt and Whitney Double Wasp (2,000 hp.) 18 cylinder twin row radial engine, which greatly improved climb and acceleration compared to the earlier Wildcat. This engine drove a three bladed 13 ft. diameter Hamilton-Standard Hydromatic constant-speed propeller. The Hellcat was a low wing monoplane of all metal, flush riveted construction. Other improvements included armor protection for the pilot, wide-track landing gear that retracted hydraulically, hydraulically folding wings, and increased ammunition supply. The Hellcat had a longer and slimmer fuselage than its predecessor, and although similar in layout, it is not hard to tell the two apart. The Hellcat just looks like the higher performance aircraft it is.

Like Grumman's previous Wildcat, the Hellcat's canopy design left a very large blind area astern. Grumman did not successfully address this flaw until the Hellcat was superceded by the F8F Bearcat.

The prototype XF6F-1 first flew in August 1942. It was very successful, and was put into production as the F6F-3 by the end of that year.

The F6F-3 first entered combat with the U. S. Fast Carrier Task Force in the raid on Marcus Island on September 1, 1943. From that time on, the Hellcat equipped fighter squadrons in the U. S. carrier air groups had the advantage over their Japanese adversaries. The F6F-3 was also supplied to the British Fleet Air Arm, as the Hellcat I. There was also a night fighter version with a wing mounted radar and a radio altimeter called the F6F-3N. Standard armament was 6-.50 cal. wing machine guns, and external loads of a 125 gal. drop tank, or up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs could be carried. Max. level speed was about 371 m.p.h. (see complete specifications below).

The Hellcat bore the brunt of the later carrier battles that destroyed the legendary fast carrier task force of the Imperial Navy. The majority of top U.S.N. aces flew the Hellcat. The biggest carrier air battle of the war was the Battle of the Philippine Sea (or, as Navy aviators called it, "the Great Marianas Turkey shoot"), of 19-20 June 1944. In this battle, Hellcat fighters distinguished themselves. Total losses of American aircraft (of all types and from all causes) were 130, with 76 airmen killed. Total Japanese loss of aircraft amounted to about 480, with a similar number of airmen lost. In addition, the Japanese lost three large aircraft carriers. The power of the Japanese fast carrier task force was broken, never to be re-built. And the Hellcat fighter was king of the skies over the Pacific for the rest of the War.

Specifications for the F6F-3 were as follows (from various sources):
Wing span: 42 ft. 10 in.
Length: 33 ft. 6.3 in
Height: 13 ft.
Wing area: 334 sq. ft.
Engine: Pratt and Whitney R-2800-10, 2,000 hp. at 1,000 ft.
Max. speed: 371 m.p.h. at 18,700 ft.
Best climb: 2,260 ft./min.
Climb to: 10,000 ft., 4.65 min.; 20,000 ft., 10 min.
Service ceiling: 35,000 ft.
Range: 1,495 miles with 125 gal. drop tank
Weight: 9,020 empty; 12,800 loaded
Armament: 6-.50 cal. MG; up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs.

The follow on model was the F6F-5 Hellcat of 1944. The Fleet Air Arm version was called Hellcat II. Improvements included water injection for the engine, a redesigned engine cowling, new ailerons, improved windscreen, strengthened pilot armor, an autopilot, and a waxed high gloss finish. These changes cleaned up the aerodynamics somewhat, resulting in improved performance (speed now over 400 m.p.h., with improved maneuverability). The F6F-5 could carry drop tanks, bombs, or rockets externally. Most were armed with the standard 6-.50 cal. MG, but some late production airplanes were armed with 2-20mm cannon and 4-.50 cal. MG. Max. climb rate was now up to 3,000 ft./min., and max. range up to 1,800 miles with external fuel. Service ceiling was up to 37,800 ft. The F6F-5 was the final production version of the Hellcat.

The Hellcat was the top scoring Allied Navy fighter of the war. Hellcat pilots shot down 4,947 enemy aircraft during World War II.

All Hellcat production ceased in 1945, after approximately 12, 275 Hellcats had been produced. The F8F Bearcat superceded the Hellcat. The Bearcat related to the Hellcat in the same way that the Hellcat related to the Wildcat, and the Bearcat was the highest performance of all piston engine U.S.N. fighters. The war ended before it entered combat, and the jet age was just beginning.


The end!
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All of the small light guns are harder to shoot. They all take more practice to shoot well. One of the reasons I have stuck to the J Frame revolver and Shield is there is enough grip to shoot them well. Anything smaller is difficult to shoot well. DR
 
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The famous Hellcat carrier based fighter was the follow on to Grumman's F4F Wildcat, which in the hands of hard pressed sailors and marines had probably been the most successful of the U.S. fighter planes striving to hold off the superior Japanese Zero. At the Battle of Midway, on Guadalcanal, and in other desperate places, the Wildcat pilots had given a good account of themselves. But there was no denying that their stubby fighter was inferior to the Zero in speed, climb, maneuverability, and range. Only in roll rate and dive speed did the Wildcat have an advantage, and it wasn't enough.

The G-50 (as Grumman called it) Hellcat, designed in the Spring of 1942, reversed all of these deficiencies except range and climb. It was the only Allied fighter of the war that could dogfight with a Zero on fairly equal terms. In fact, even the Japanese admitted that the later model Hellcat could turn inside of the later model Zero at high speeds.

Grumman achieved this by extremely clever design to reduce structural weight, and the use of the powerful Pratt and Whitney Double Wasp (2,000 hp.) 18 cylinder twin row radial engine, which greatly improved climb and acceleration compared to the earlier Wildcat. This engine drove a three bladed 13 ft. diameter Hamilton-Standard Hydromatic constant-speed propeller. The Hellcat was a low wing monoplane of all metal, flush riveted construction. Other improvements included armor protection for the pilot, wide-track landing gear that retracted hydraulically, hydraulically folding wings, and increased ammunition supply. The Hellcat had a longer and slimmer fuselage than its predecessor, and although similar in layout, it is not hard to tell the two apart. The Hellcat just looks like the higher performance aircraft it is.

Like Grumman's previous Wildcat, the Hellcat's canopy design left a very large blind area astern. Grumman did not successfully address this flaw until the Hellcat was superceded by the F8F Bearcat.

The prototype XF6F-1 first flew in August 1942. It was very successful, and was put into production as the F6F-3 by the end of that year.

The F6F-3 first entered combat with the U. S. Fast Carrier Task Force in the raid on Marcus Island on September 1, 1943. From that time on, the Hellcat equipped fighter squadrons in the U. S. carrier air groups had the advantage over their Japanese adversaries. The F6F-3 was also supplied to the British Fleet Air Arm, as the Hellcat I. There was also a night fighter version with a wing mounted radar and a radio altimeter called the F6F-3N. Standard armament was 6-.50 cal. wing machine guns, and external loads of a 125 gal. drop tank, or up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs could be carried. Max. level speed was about 371 m.p.h. (see complete specifications below).

The Hellcat bore the brunt of the later carrier battles that destroyed the legendary fast carrier task force of the Imperial Navy. The majority of top U.S.N. aces flew the Hellcat. The biggest carrier air battle of the war was the Battle of the Philippine Sea (or, as Navy aviators called it, "the Great Marianas Turkey shoot"), of 19-20 June 1944. In this battle, Hellcat fighters distinguished themselves. Total losses of American aircraft (of all types and from all causes) were 130, with 76 airmen killed. Total Japanese loss of aircraft amounted to about 480, with a similar number of airmen lost. In addition, the Japanese lost three large aircraft carriers. The power of the Japanese fast carrier task force was broken, never to be re-built. And the Hellcat fighter was king of the skies over the Pacific for the rest of the War.

Specifications for the F6F-3 were as follows (from various sources):
Wing span: 42 ft. 10 in.
Length: 33 ft. 6.3 in
Height: 13 ft.
Wing area: 334 sq. ft.
Engine: Pratt and Whitney R-2800-10, 2,000 hp. at 1,000 ft.
Max. speed: 371 m.p.h. at 18,700 ft.
Best climb: 2,260 ft./min.
Climb to: 10,000 ft., 4.65 min.; 20,000 ft., 10 min.
Service ceiling: 35,000 ft.
Range: 1,495 miles with 125 gal. drop tank
Weight: 9,020 empty; 12,800 loaded
Armament: 6-.50 cal. MG; up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs.

The follow on model was the F6F-5 Hellcat of 1944. The Fleet Air Arm version was called Hellcat II. Improvements included water injection for the engine, a redesigned engine cowling, new ailerons, improved windscreen, strengthened pilot armor, an autopilot, and a waxed high gloss finish. These changes cleaned up the aerodynamics somewhat, resulting in improved performance (speed now over 400 m.p.h., with improved maneuverability). The F6F-5 could carry drop tanks, bombs, or rockets externally. Most were armed with the standard 6-.50 cal. MG, but some late production airplanes were armed with 2-20mm cannon and 4-.50 cal. MG. Max. climb rate was now up to 3,000 ft./min., and max. range up to 1,800 miles with external fuel. Service ceiling was up to 37,800 ft. The F6F-5 was the final production version of the Hellcat.

The Hellcat was the top scoring Allied Navy fighter of the war. Hellcat pilots shot down 4,947 enemy aircraft during World War II.

All Hellcat production ceased in 1945, after approximately 12, 275 Hellcats had been produced. The F8F Bearcat superceded the Hellcat. The Bearcat related to the Hellcat in the same way that the Hellcat related to the Wildcat, and the Bearcat was the highest performance of all piston engine U.S.N. fighters. The war ended before it entered combat, and the jet age was just beginning.


The end!
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I still like mine, never an issue with the OG or the Pro. Most reliable firearm in the safes.
I feel like sig has a more loyal following though.
 
Its a Springfield... Not innovative or original in any way, and like everything Springfield they just followed the crowd into a market that was selling well. Seems like their standard MO. What more needs to be said.
 
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It was a fad when it came out. I saw first hand multiple people I knew who are not by any means gun enthusiasts that were very excited by it. I guess chalk it up to effective marketing.
 
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The famous Hellcat carrier based fighter was the follow on to Grumman's F4F Wildcat, which in the hands of hard pressed sailors and marines had probably been the most successful of the U.S. fighter planes striving to hold off the superior Japanese Zero. At the Battle of Midway, on Guadalcanal, and in other desperate places, the Wildcat pilots had given a good account of themselves. But there was no denying that their stubby fighter was inferior to the Zero in speed, climb, maneuverability, and range. Only in roll rate and dive speed did the Wildcat have an advantage, and it wasn't enough.

The G-50 (as Grumman called it) Hellcat, designed in the Spring of 1942, reversed all of these deficiencies except range and climb. It was the only Allied fighter of the war that could dogfight with a Zero on fairly equal terms. In fact, even the Japanese admitted that the later model Hellcat could turn inside of the later model Zero at high speeds.

Grumman achieved this by extremely clever design to reduce structural weight, and the use of the powerful Pratt and Whitney Double Wasp (2,000 hp.) 18 cylinder twin row radial engine, which greatly improved climb and acceleration compared to the earlier Wildcat. This engine drove a three bladed 13 ft. diameter Hamilton-Standard Hydromatic constant-speed propeller. The Hellcat was a low wing monoplane of all metal, flush riveted construction. Other improvements included armor protection for the pilot, wide-track landing gear that retracted hydraulically, hydraulically folding wings, and increased ammunition supply. The Hellcat had a longer and slimmer fuselage than its predecessor, and although similar in layout, it is not hard to tell the two apart. The Hellcat just looks like the higher performance aircraft it is.

Like Grumman's previous Wildcat, the Hellcat's canopy design left a very large blind area astern. Grumman did not successfully address this flaw until the Hellcat was superceded by the F8F Bearcat.

The prototype XF6F-1 first flew in August 1942. It was very successful, and was put into production as the F6F-3 by the end of that year.

The F6F-3 first entered combat with the U. S. Fast Carrier Task Force in the raid on Marcus Island on September 1, 1943. From that time on, the Hellcat equipped fighter squadrons in the U. S. carrier air groups had the advantage over their Japanese adversaries. The F6F-3 was also supplied to the British Fleet Air Arm, as the Hellcat I. There was also a night fighter version with a wing mounted radar and a radio altimeter called the F6F-3N. Standard armament was 6-.50 cal. wing machine guns, and external loads of a 125 gal. drop tank, or up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs could be carried. Max. level speed was about 371 m.p.h. (see complete specifications below).

The Hellcat bore the brunt of the later carrier battles that destroyed the legendary fast carrier task force of the Imperial Navy. The majority of top U.S.N. aces flew the Hellcat. The biggest carrier air battle of the war was the Battle of the Philippine Sea (or, as Navy aviators called it, "the Great Marianas Turkey shoot"), of 19-20 June 1944. In this battle, Hellcat fighters distinguished themselves. Total losses of American aircraft (of all types and from all causes) were 130, with 76 airmen killed. Total Japanese loss of aircraft amounted to about 480, with a similar number of airmen lost. In addition, the Japanese lost three large aircraft carriers. The power of the Japanese fast carrier task force was broken, never to be re-built. And the Hellcat fighter was king of the skies over the Pacific for the rest of the War.

Specifications for the F6F-3 were as follows (from various sources):
Wing span: 42 ft. 10 in.
Length: 33 ft. 6.3 in
Height: 13 ft.
Wing area: 334 sq. ft.
Engine: Pratt and Whitney R-2800-10, 2,000 hp. at 1,000 ft.
Max. speed: 371 m.p.h. at 18,700 ft.
Best climb: 2,260 ft./min.
Climb to: 10,000 ft., 4.65 min.; 20,000 ft., 10 min.
Service ceiling: 35,000 ft.
Range: 1,495 miles with 125 gal. drop tank
Weight: 9,020 empty; 12,800 loaded
Armament: 6-.50 cal. MG; up to 2-1,000 lb. bombs.

The follow on model was the F6F-5 Hellcat of 1944. The Fleet Air Arm version was called Hellcat II. Improvements included water injection for the engine, a redesigned engine cowling, new ailerons, improved windscreen, strengthened pilot armor, an autopilot, and a waxed high gloss finish. These changes cleaned up the aerodynamics somewhat, resulting in improved performance (speed now over 400 m.p.h., with improved maneuverability). The F6F-5 could carry drop tanks, bombs, or rockets externally. Most were armed with the standard 6-.50 cal. MG, but some late production airplanes were armed with 2-20mm cannon and 4-.50 cal. MG. Max. climb rate was now up to 3,000 ft./min., and max. range up to 1,800 miles with external fuel. Service ceiling was up to 37,800 ft. The F6F-5 was the final production version of the Hellcat.

The Hellcat was the top scoring Allied Navy fighter of the war. Hellcat pilots shot down 4,947 enemy aircraft during World War II.

All Hellcat production ceased in 1945, after approximately 12, 275 Hellcats had been produced. The F8F Bearcat superceded the Hellcat. The Bearcat related to the Hellcat in the same way that the Hellcat related to the Wildcat, and the Bearcat was the highest performance of all piston engine U.S.N. fighters. The war ended before it entered combat, and the jet age was just beginning.


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TLDR 🤣
 
I do not own a Hellcat, but I have shot one - probably put 50-60 rounds through it.

If you are an experienced shooter, you'll have no problems with it. ("Grip is everything".)

I did not notice that much difference from the other micro 9's I've owned: G43, G43X, P365, M&P Shield, GX4.

The one in the ad that you posted is MOS ready - which is a plus for some.

Price is attractive - especially with the seller covering the transfer fee OR knocking $50 off and the buyer covering the fee.

I think the reaons that there are so many still for sale is that the market is soft. There are a lot of G43X's and P365 XL's and Macro's for sale as well. Normally these would move, but buying has slowed down a lot.

TWYLALTR

Cheers.
 
One of the reasons is that Sig 365 was the trailblazer so to speak in the micro higher capacity market . Then Hellcat upped the capacity . Other makers jumped on board , some without optics but most went with optics ready and then the micro race was on . Late comers to the race have had to be even more competitive to gain market share . I believe in the end competition has given the customer base an array of options so that is a benefit . Small conceal Carry market is the dominating section with fastest growth with ammo market following . :)
 
One of the reasons is that Sig 365 was the trailblazer so to speak in the micro higher capacity market . Then Hellcat upped the capacity . Other makers jumped on board , some without optics but most went with optics ready and then the micro race was on . Late comers to the race have had to be even more competitive to gain market share . I believe in the end competition has given the customer base an array of options so that is a benefit . Small conceal Carry market is the dominating section with fastest growth with ammo market following . :)
I think it's also the aftermarket support. The Hellcat is never going to compete with the Sigs or Glocks for market share. And people like their bling bling. :D
 

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