Is America Being Deliberately Pushed Toward Civil War?

[Hook686]

You live in an illusion. A fiction of ideals whithin your own mind.

Too bad...............
An attempt was made to warn and alert you. No one can do much more that that.

Perhaps you are right Taku. Each of us picks the path we wish to travel. I think the destination will eventually be the same. Namaste' Taku.

 

[U201491]

Perhaps you are right Taku. Each of us picks the path we wish to travel. I think the destination will eventually be the same. Namaste' Taku.

Did you originate from India?
That is a salutation not often used.

 

[luke23]

There wasn't any squabbling. You expressed your views and we expressed ours.
Pretty clear discussion as they go here.
My convictions are solidly based. Not looking for anyone to try to convince me of anything.
I have established that base on 67 years of observation and experience. Not much chance of you altering my viewpoint now.
I love my country and what it was intended to stand for.
JA's are f=ing that up for us and our children and grandchildren and I don't like it. Quite simple really.
If you are truly pro 2nd Amendment, we stand on the same issue.
What you equate as Marxism is more like socialism, and that side I disagree with.
But you have what you think you need.
I will do what I have to to get the country back to what it was intended to be.
Earn what you get, Get what you earn, and unless too invalid to earn, stop living off of others labor.
Pretty simple really, again.

On another note, when the politicians and global marxist, socialists want to give up all their money and live on the average income of all others, I will give some slight credibility to their convictions about their spread everyone else's wealth. I don't see the fearless leader offering to give up all his assets and stop taking multi million dollar vacations and trying to live on 50 to 70 K a year.
Nor bloombutt, soros... or anyone else in their circle.

It's squabbling to me. I say that because we're here for a mutual interest, protecting our gun rights, and instead we've gone into Marxism vs Capitalism mode here. I don't think this is the place for it. You can go all day and not convince me, and I can do the same and not convince you. So, squabbling.

And to MikeE, valid sir.

 

[U201491]

It's squabbling to me. I say that because we're here for a mutual interest, protecting our gun rights, and instead we've gone into Marxism vs Capitalism mode here. I don't think this is the place for it. You can go all day and not convince me, and I can do the same and not convince you. So, squabbling.

And to MikeE, valid sir.

And to many of us it is the reason for the decay of the country and the reason we even have to fight these damned anti gun wars.
It is the Progressive left, ie; marxists, communists and socialists for the most part that we're in a constant state of siege.
So think what you will, it is very relevant to the gun issues.
It is the direct cause of all of it.

And I thought the issue was at rest for this thread. Ok what the hell.

Lets stop cluttering the thread and resolve it here.

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[luke23]

You can't resolve a complex issue by just having people say yes or no and tallying the results. That mentality is part of the problem. Take it from an actual Marxist. The folks you like to say are Socialists/Marxists/Communists are not. They have the same fundamental basis as you, free market system. Holding such beliefs is the ticket to power.

As to voting itself, I remind you that it elected Barack Obama twice. Still think it's infallible? Further, holding such a vote here is kind of like trying to elect a Tea Party guy in San Francisco. You already know the exact result you'll get because the demographic is skewed. Why do it? Trying to yield a sense of victory and enhance the us/them divide.

ie, squabbling.

This is why I suggested avoiding squabbling to begin with. Because I hold a different economic ideology doesn't mean I feel like having people line up to debate me.

 

[U201491]

You can't resolve a complex issue by just having people say yes or no and tallying the results. That mentality is part of the problem. Take it from an actual Marxist. The folks you like to say are Socialists/Marxists/Communists are not. They have the same fundamental basis as you, free market system. Holding such beliefs is the ticket to power.

As to voting itself, I remind you that it elected Barack Obama twice. Still think it's infallible? Further, holding such a vote here is kind of like trying to elect a Tea Party guy in San Francisco. You already know the exact result you'll get because the demographic is skewed. Why do it? Trying to yield a sense of victory and enhance the us/them divide.

ie, squabbling.

This is why I suggested avoiding squabbling to begin with. Because I hold a different economic ideology doesn't mean I feel like having people line up to debate me.

The why did you keep the squabbling going ???
I ended it at your salutation ending.
You brought it back on board.
Not I !
Let go

 

[luke23]

I didn't. What I said before you decided to launch a poll was that neither of us was going to agree so I saw no point to continuing. You've really got to not take the very fact that I posted words as some kind of challenge.

 

[Hook686]

Did you originate from India?
That is a salutation not often used.

No Taku, not from India. I was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico. We each study and subscribe to that which is consistent with our basic nature.

 

[U201491]

No Taku, not from India. I was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico. We each study and subscribe to that which is consistent with our basic nature.

Good Harley town

 

[Riot]

The folks you like to say are Socialists/Marxists/Communists are not.

You see nothing Socialist about "Progressive" views? I want to take you down a road with me about a man that lives in Australia.



His name is IBRAHIM Siddiq-Conlon. He was born and raised in Australia, is a Muslim and advocates for Sharia Law. He is an extremist in almost every way, but he uses his freedom of speech to advocate Sharia Law (irnoic, isn't it?).

What we have in America is the same...people that use their Bill of Rights to advocate the abolishment of other Bill of Rights. This is not an American view. These views are taught from outside the US...from places and people that want to destroy everything about us without ever having to fire a bullet. They talk of laws "for the better of the community" and not the individual. They hide behind Green laws, and Healthcare Reform but advocate your slow errosion of civil liberties...

 

[Sstrand]

Luke
It is not a complex issue . . . You either believe we are being pushed toward a civil war or you do not believe it.
If you don't believe that is the direction continue with whatever you are doing. But, if you do believe it you would be well advised to be as prepared as you can be . . .

Sheldon

 

[U201491]

You see nothing Socialist about "Progressive" views? I want to take you down a road with me about a man that lives in Australia.



His name is IBRAHIM Siddiq-Conlon. He was born and raised in Australia, is a Muslim and advocates for Sharia Law. He is an extremist in almost every way, but he uses his freedom of speech to advocate Sharia Law (irnoic, isn't it?).

What we have in America is the same...people that use their Bill of Rights to advocate the abolishment of other Bill of Rights. This is not an American view. These views are taught from outside the US...from places and people that want to destroy everything about us without ever having to fire a bullet. They talk of laws "for the better of the community" and not the individual. They hide behind Green laws, and Healthcare Reform but advocate your slow errosion of civil liberties...

Yes, they come and instill their views And inject their infection into everything they can.
It is a cancer that ultimately has but one cure.
You will either feed the cancer or cut it out. Middle ground will never work. The cancer will just fester and grow again. That is what it will boil down to in the end. People better decide the path they will take pretty damned soon.
I will never feed the cancer !

 

[luke23]

You see nothing Socialist about "Progressive" views? I want to take you down a road with me about a man that lives in Australia.



His name is IBRAHIM Siddiq-Conlon. He was born and raised in Australia, is a Muslim and advocates for Sharia Law. He is an extremist in almost every way, but he uses his freedom of speech to advocate Sharia Law (irnoic, isn't it?).

What we have in America is the same...people that use their Bill of Rights to advocate the abolishment of other Bill of Rights. This is not an American view. These views are taught from outside the US...from places and people that want to destroy everything about us without ever having to fire a bullet. They talk of laws "for the better of the community" and not the individual. They hide behind Green laws, and Healthcare Reform but advocate your slow errosion of civil liberties...

'Progressive' simply refers to policies that seek to promote a more modernistic vision. It's usually humanist, and a lot of it is trivial crap like affirmative action or obsessing over holidays. They may have a few elements in place, but by and large all those progressives still want the same free market economy.

I will say right now, you cannot be a socialist and believe your national economic system should be capitalist in nature. If you go with a one party system and a capitalist economy, you wind up with China.

Also, I really don't care about the whole sharia thing because it's nonsense. If you look at real Sharia, it's only applicable to Muslims (like Jewish law). If you do find someone who wants to mandate it in a western state, they're wasting their time because there will never be a base of people large enough to make it into law.

Now, as to the actual bill of rights...

Go read it, and let me know if you can find anything in there that pertains to economics. You won't, because it's all about civil guarantees. Absolutely no contradiction there.

And as to Sheldon's point, there's a lot of analysis required to reach such a conclusion, and that is both highly subjective and complicated. And regardless of whether or not I believe it, I'd prefer to be prepared. Let's face it, historically the Marxists are usually the first ones targeted. When a bunch of people want to come to my house and lynch me, I'm going to need all the 30 round magazines I can get my hands on.

 

[U201491]

Luke, you truly need to let it go.
If you think you will turn Patriots into Marxists OR Islamists, you are
smoking some very bad substances.
UNBELIEVABLE.........

 

[DMax]

WOW I don't think I have the patience to correct all the miss info in this one above. Hopefully someday libs will actually have independant thoughts of there own instead of spewing lib talking points they get from there queen bee distributed to the collective.

Go ahead and walk up to a muslim and tell them to there face Sharia law are just for you all muslims LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Thats a good one.

 

[U201491]

WOW I don't think I have the patience to correct all the miss info in this one above. Hopefully someday libs will actually have independant thoughts of there own instead of spewing lib talking points they get from there queen bee distributed to the collective.

Go ahead and walk up to a muslim and tell them to there face Sharia law are just for you all muslims LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Thats a good one.

I think he has this place mixed up with Saturday night live............................

 

[Riot]

'Progressive' simply refers to policies that seek to promote a more modernistic vision.

 

[luke23]

Luke, you truly need to let it go.
If you think you will turn Patriots into Marxists OR Islamists, you are
smoking some very bad substances.
UNBELIEVABLE.........

A lot easier to let it go if people would drop the topic. Personally if people challenge me and talk down to me, it's in my nature to fight back. Particularly when they are demonstrably wrong.

But to make things easier, I'm letting it go now. I suggest you folks do the same.

 

[simon99]

Whether or not I believe civil war is coming is irrelevant in my physical, spiritual and mental preparations. I've had the government funded opportunities to travel to some of the planets worst places where the notions of civility and humanity are unheard of. Regardless of your socio-political belief system, you are either the type of person that believes in freedom and will fight for it to the death or one who believes that you are part of a greater socially engineered system, like a colony of bees. My belief system is based on faith, family and freedom and have and will continue to protect my family, friends and myself to the best of my abilities with the compassion as a husband, friend and good neighbor, combined with someone that has served as the sharp end of the spear who can take evil life without remorse, guilt and without regrets.

My point being, is that you are either with us or against us....

 

[U201491]

Whether or not I believe civil war is coming is irrelevant in my physical, spiritual and mental preparations. I've had the government funded opportunities to travel to some of the planets worst places where the notions of civility and humanity are unheard of. Regardless of your socio-political belief system, you are either the type of person that believes in freedom and will fight for it to the death or one who believes that you are part of a greater socially engineered system, like a colony of bees. My belief system is based on faith, family and freedom and have and will continue to protect my family, friends and myself to the best of my abilities with the compassion as a husband, friend and good neighbor, combined with someone that has served as the sharp end of the spear who can take evil life without remorse, guilt and without regrets.

My point being, is that you are either with us or against us....

You said it with a little more eloquence than my thoughts were headed