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is a hand strap legal on a pistol?

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by Iansstud, Oct 5, 2009.

  1. Iansstud

    Iansstud SW WA / PDX Member

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    here is a pic


    vertical grips make it an AOW but what about the strap?
     
  2. Noxspector

    Noxspector Oregon Member

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    I' like it other than it's not a SBR. That red dot won't hold zero on it either.

    As for the original question.....yes a strap is legal.
     
  3. spider

    spider Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    LMAO :laugh::bluelaugh::D:thumbup:
     
  4. krawl

    krawl Oregon Member

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    Would the strap not be a forward grip?
     
  5. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    Ask the guys that know.503-331-7830

    That is the Portland ATF office. They are happy to help and let you know what is legal or not.
     
  6. huntpotter

    huntpotter SW WA Negotiator Bronze Supporter

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    I've seen mac-10, and others with a forward strap. I don't think it is tecnically classified as a grip, because it is flexible. It is more like a sling, than a strap.
     
  7. Bello425

    Bello425 Vancouver Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Dumb question, but what is the purpose of the strap...
     
  8. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    To provide some of the functionality of a forward grip without running afoul of the law.
     
  9. Bello425

    Bello425 Vancouver Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I've shot old AK's before, but without the new accessories(short barrel, pistol grip, etc.) just can't figure why use a strap when you can hold/support the area where the strap is located when shooting. Or does that area get hot? Just curious since that looks like an "interesting" setup.
     
  10. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    If it IS legal... that's a clever workaround for a pistol... I'm building an AR pistol. I may even carry it under my CHL/CPL... :cool: :thumbup:
     
  11. If a vertical grip is illegal what about a horizontal grip? my quadrail would hold a folding grip on the side very nicely!
     
  12. UncalledForGabe

    UncalledForGabe Aloha Or. Member

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    A horizontal grip still a forward grip on a pistol regardless of position.
    Now I'm curious about the strap :)
     
  13. krawl

    krawl Oregon Member

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    Quick google search:

    "Washington, DC 20226


    Adding a Vertical Fore Grip to a Handgun

    “Handgun” is defined under Federal law to mean, in part, a firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand…. Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(29).

    Under an implementing regulation of the National Firearms Act (NFA), 27 C.F.R. § 479.11, “pistol” is defined as a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).

    The NFA further defines the term “any other weapon” (AOW) as any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition. 26 U.S.C. § 5845(e).

    ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment.

    To lawfully add a vertical fore grip to a handgun, a person must make an appropriate application on ATF Form 1, “Application to Make and Register a Firearm.” The applicant must submit the completed form, along with a fingerprint card bearing the applicant’s fingerprints; a photograph; and $200.00. The application will be reviewed by the NFA Branch. If the applicant is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under Federal, State, or local law, and possession of an “AOW” is not prohibited in the applicant’s State of residence, the form will be approved. Only then may the person add a vertical fore grip to the designated handgun.

    A person may also send the handgun to a person licensed to manufacture NFA weapons. The manufacturer will install the fore grip on the firearm and register the firearm on an ATF Form 2. The manufacturer can then transfer the firearm back to the individual on an ATF Form 4, which results in a $5.00 transfer tax. If the manufacturer is out of State, the NFA Branch will need a clarification letter submitted with the ATF Form 4 so that the NFA Branch Examiner will know the circumstances of the transfer. Questions can be directed to the NFA Branch or the Firearms Technology Branch."


    The thread (on a MAC forum) does say multiple times that ATF has yet to ever issue a clear ruling on the issue. Even in the letter they don't directly address the issue but skate around it. Would you get in trouble for it? probably like a 1 in 10million chance, but I would hate to be the one called on it and put to the test. My $0.02
     
  14. Iansstud

    Iansstud SW WA / PDX Member

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    does anyone know where you could get a picatinny strap? I have looked everywhere!!!