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is a bank off limits?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by 22many, Apr 1, 2010.

  1. 22many

    22many PNW Well-Known Member

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    So heres the deal, I was talking with a buddy the other day about where you can and cannot cc. Post offices, federal buildings, ect, ect. He says that banks are off limits also because they are insured by the government.

    Anybody know about this? Is it true? I dont recall hearing this when I got my CWP.
     
  2. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    Not true, but many banks maintain their own policies against CC.
     
  3. glockguy

    glockguy Albany Oregon Well-Known Member

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    i carry into my bank all the time... and Iv known people who also OC into Banks with no problems... I dont think they are off limits
     
  4. 22many

    22many PNW Well-Known Member

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    I do too. But they are federally insured so that made me question it.
     
  5. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Being Federally insured has nothing to do with it....read USC 18-930, it must be a Federal Facility (i.e. Post Office, Federal Court Room, Military Instillation, ect.). All US servicemen are "Federally Insured", does that mean they cannot carry a firearm....ever?

    Oh, and it must be posted as well...

    It must be posted as a "Gun Free Zone"...so unless you are an employee, how else would you know of their policies?
     
  6. 22many

    22many PNW Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Riot.
     
  7. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    Well first I'd look for bad guys with ski masks, their head hung low as they walk away from the bank with an empty bad and their AK dragging on the ground.

    Then I would look for the sign and realize he got trumped by the gun free zone.
     
  8. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Beaverton Active Member

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    I don't think the sign thing applies in Oregon, but he's right about the federal facilities. He's from Wash, so remember that there are differences with regards to some things such as signage.
     
  9. cwegga

    cwegga Helena, MT Active Member

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    Also in some states, state law bans CC in banks and other places but that is not the case in Washington.
     
  10. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    Washington does not put banks off limits for arms. However, any private enterprise (and banks are...) can decide their place is off limits to arms, but must post adequate notice at all entrances. Worst case is you can be asked to leave...... and if you refuse, can be charged with criminal tresspass. I've carried into my own bank many times..... but they all know me by name, and they all trust me. Even if any of them thought guns are evil and can fly out of my holster and shoot at will, I doubt they'd even think twice if they realised I were armed.

    Some states do, indeed, ban arms from banks.... best thing, if you're travelling, go to a sight that has state gun law roundups, and their rules will spell it out. Know before you go sort of thing. Whenever I'm travelling into another state, I always find out their CC rules, whether my permit works there, and what kinds of places are off limits.

    Funny thing, the Post Office is considered a Federal Facility for CC regulations.... but in reality they are NOT a government entity.. they are a private corporation. But RUN by government mandate. A nice manifestation of fascism..... where private entities OWN the means of production, but the government CONTROL it.
     
  11. Taurus 617 CCW

    Taurus 617 CCW Northern Idaho Member

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    One of the guys I work with used to open carry into his bank until one day they asked him not to carry his gun in with him. The next week they were robbed. :thumbup:

    The next time he went into the bank and heard they got robbed he commented to the teller that they may not have been robbed if they allowed their customers to carry.
     
  12. DootyBeet

    DootyBeet Salem Member

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    I'm glad you brought this point up tionico. The way I understand it, is that it IS legal in Oregon to CC in a postal facility. The employees aren't even paid directly by the goverment, they get their checks from a private contractor.
    I always wonder when I hear someone spreading the misinformation that you can't carry in a Post Office. Based upon what? Please show me a ORS or other that says you can't.
     
  13. Izzy

    Izzy Oakridge Active Member

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    I live in a small town (things are different here) & I have been known to OC in the bank & post office.

    I have never had a problem.
     
  14. DootyBeet

    DootyBeet Salem Member

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    Another tid bit on Post Office CCW.
    I frequent the Main Post Office on 25th and have for about 7 years since getting a PO box. The prior postmaster for this facilty had a 'No Weapons Allowed' sign on the entrance doors. When the new postmaster, I think about 4 years ago, came onboard, the sign was taken down.
     
  15. Kimber Custom

    Kimber Custom Vancouver, WA Bronze Vendor Bronze Vendor

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    This is something I have been meaning to look into further.

    OFF's FAQ's has this:

    In fact, there is some indication that you are not even barred from the Post Office if you are there for a "lawful purpose." (Consult your attorney.)

    But they don't elaborate.

    There is a sign in the Post Office that states no firearms but I've never stopped to read the fine print nor is it posted at the entrance.
     
  16. cwegga

    cwegga Helena, MT Active Member

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    It might be legal under Oregon law, but it is not under federal law and the postal code. The postal code part is in Title 39 CFR 232.1 it says

    Anyway smarter people than me have already done research.

    If you skim the rest read this link.
    Here is a great post that goes pretty in depth into the issue:
    http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/...concealed-carry-us-post-office.html#post20121

    Something to keep in mind. My understanding is that the post office firearm ban extends to the whole property so leaving it in your car in the parking lot isn't an option. Read the appropriate laws for yourself and make decisions accordingly.
     
  17. 22many

    22many PNW Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so I understand the fact of private property regarding CC. Ive carried in banks many times and will continue to do so.

    Now, doesnt federal laws trump state laws? And if they do then no carry in the post office? I never have but this is a interesting topic and I would really like to hear more of your guys (and gals) thoughts.
     
  18. cwegga

    cwegga Helena, MT Active Member

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    Yes, you are referring to this:

    Here people with better legal understanding than myself explain why you might not want to trust in the "lawful purpose" part.

    I think that makes it pretty clear. And again I'm not trying to take credit for this research or analysis. I pulled it from this thread.
     
  19. CanCanCase

    CanCanCase Southern Oregon Coast Member

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    I was just about to post a new thread with the "can CHL holders carry in a bank?" Glad I skimmed back a few lines on my tiny screen! ;-)

    I took the polite route the other day and asked the lead teller at the Coos Bay Wells Fargo. She appreciated me asking, and appreciated me leaving it outside, then explained that their preference and policy was not inside the building (this was while she was giving me a night drop key anyway!)

    I've got a call in to a slightly higher authority at Wells, as the branch manager has already told me to go right ahead as long as it's on the down-low. No posting anywhere in the place either, so I'm pretty comfortable... (Just no jokes about robbing the place, because when you're armed, you're one step closer to "armed robbery"...)

    -Case
     
  20. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I carry into our bank pretty much daily.