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Rep Nearman and a couple of gals tried it with IP8 but the problem is serious legal scholars (gun rights attorneys) believe as many do here that our rights are already protected via the constitution both federal and state. I guess it's better to fight for old rights than make new rights which you will end up fighting for anyways. I get it!I think I said it once before, but if we can get an initiative together to prevent further erosion of individual rights, disallowing the state to roll back bills that have been passed that ensure personal certain personal liberties, and can relate that to the legal cannabis situation (being a little sneaky, but focusing on cannabis use as an individual right lumped in with the civil right to keep and bear arms), we would have the young people's vote all around.
I'm still behind on coffee. If this is incoherent, thats why.
I feel the same way about gun rights. What I was trying to convey was an idea for a petition that would make it impossible for any further erosion of our gun rights, and to include other personal liberties in the same bill so as to make it palatable for everyone.Rep Nearman and a couple of gals tried it with IP8 but the problem is serious legal scholars (gun rights attorneys) believe as many do here that our rights are already protected via the constitution both federal and state. I guess it's better to fight for old rights than make new rights which you will end up fighting for anyways. I get it!
After researching this Mr. Wasson fellow I don't think IP16 is going to materialize in to a big threat. If he gets the initial batch of signatures collected we can challenge the heck out of it like we did for IP43. I am pretty sure that is all Mr Wasson is looking for is to get his jollies off in court. I seriously doubt he would be interested in mobilizing the army of signature gatherers like the Church crowd was doing. I have been wrong before though so it will stay on my radar.Fun facts about IP16 petitioner Greg Wasson:
Activist challenges Salem's rules for petitions
And a photo with bonus article he wrote:
Why initiatives should remain a power tool for citizens
And finally this:
Oregon Initiative Aimed at Tightly Regulating Firearms Returns
Notice his primary reason for filing IP16 wasn't to ban "assault weapons" but was to: "First, it gives me legal standing to try and rescue the people's initiative power from an over-reaching state government."
This guy doesn't seem like the type who will gather an army of volunteers to collect signatures for his IP. I think he is more in it for the attention. I am guessing he would look forward to any court challenges too.
I hear ya but it seems like they will always find a way to frick with us. I am feeling better about this year already with SB 501 hopefully out of the way. I am somewhat anxious about what the church crowd is going to serve up but if it's extreme we might be able to get it put on the shelf with SB 501.I feel the same way about gun rights. What I was trying to convey was an idea for a petition that would make it impossible for any further erosion of our gun rights, and to include other personal liberties in the same bill so as to make it palatable for everyone.
Isn't that what these initiatives are trying to do? Maybe not 100% what you're looking for, but close.We need an Oregon state ballot initiative to amend the state constitution to permanently enshrine state preemption for all firearms laws and to provide that Oregon citizens are entitled to own, carry, and use any arms normally carried by contemporary infantry soldiers on the battlefield.
yes and I think we need to get some info from Kevin at OFF on the status of this IP8. It appeared to me that OFF's attorney Mr. Winters was arguing against the draft ballot title. See those arguments here. http://oregonvotes.org/irr/2020/008cbt.pdfIsn't that what these initiatives are trying to do? Maybe not 100% what you're looking for, but close.
Good News On Two Pro Gun Ballot Measures - Oregon Firearms Federation
Common Firearms Act
I think I said it once before, but if we can get an initiative together to prevent further erosion of individual rights, disallowing the state to roll back bills that have been passed that ensure personal certain personal liberties, and can relate that to the legal cannabis situation (being a little sneaky, but focusing on cannabis use as an individual right lumped in with the civil right to keep and bear arms), we would have the young people's vote all around.
I'm still behind on coffee. If this is incoherent, thats why.
Just heard back from Kevin at OFF. The revised ballot title for IP8 was worse than the original so they are not moving ahead with the initiative.Isn't that what these initiatives are trying to do? Maybe not 100% what you're looking for, but close.
Good News On Two Pro Gun Ballot Measures - Oregon Firearms Federation
Common Firearms Act
What?!!! The ballot title and summary statements I read were not perfect, but they were not a reason to just quit.Just heard back from Kevin at OFF. The revised ballot title for IP8 was worse than the original so they are not moving ahead with the initiative.
I agree that could happen which is why I am thinking about ways to counteract the IP if it picks up steam. But, I expect the gun control groups will probably wait to see what the LEVO (IP43 authors) group comes up with first. Getting something done through the Legislature will be easier than the ballot measure method.While Mr. Wasson himself may just be an attention-starved orphan, other snowflake-propagated. anti-gun, political orgs like Augustana Lutheran, Mom's Against..., Everytown, etc. could easily jump on board and provide support.