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Iowa Issues Gun Permits To The Blind

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by jbett98, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    In a move sure to leave gun safety advocates scratching their heads, Iowa is issuing gun permits to the blind.
    The permits allow legally blind applicants to purchase weapons and carry them in public. Per state law, any attempt to deny an Iowan these rights based on physical ability would be illegal, reports the Des Moines Register.
    "When you shoot a gun, you take it out and point and shoot, and I don't necessarily think eyesight is necessary," said Michael Barber, a blind man interviewed by The Register at a gun store in Iowa last month.
    The issue has also vexed local sheriffs -- the authorities tasked with reviewing applications -- with some in full support of the measure, and others against.
    Explains Delaware County Sheriff John LeClere, "If you see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you probably shouldn't be shooting something.”
    Counters Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, who has a legally blind daughter, “If sheriffs spent more time trying to keep guns out of criminals’ hands and not people with disabilities, their time would be more productive.”
    Iowans have always been able to carry a firearm in private, but a new law passed in 2011 extends that right to the public sphere while placing no limits on physical ability.
    Federal law, in tandem with the Gun Control Act of 1968, also does nothing to limit the legally blind from owning a gun, leaving that issue for states to sort out individually. Kansas, for instance, altered their laws in 2010 to prohibit issuing concealed carry permits to anyone "suffering a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a weapon."
    In January of this year, shortly after the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting, blind singer Stevie Wonder offered his thoughts on gun control in an interview with CNN's Piers Morgan. “Imagine me with a gun," he said. "It’s just crazy.”
    READ more of this story at The Des Moines Register.


     
  2. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Hey, so long as they haven't done anything to lose said rights I support it.
    I haven't seen any evidence that they cant defend themselves in close quarters and better or worse than an able bodied person.
     
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  3. Qaolin

    Qaolin 1 A.U. from a G2 near Beaverton Old Army Cook Silver Supporter

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    Crazy idea indeed. Why not give legally blind people a license to drive, pilot ships, trains and planes if they can see large blobs?
     
  4. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    They couldn't be any worse shots then some of the LEO's around here.
     
  5. Netspirit

    Netspirit Bellevue, WA Active Member

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    A blind person may still have relatives and friends who can use the weapon if needed. A blind person may still show the gun to intimidate the attacker, and may still shoot in the air as a last resort option.

    A blind person may still be a gun collector.

    A blind person has the right to commit suicide, just like any other person who owns their life.

    In short, I do not consider this an issue, unless someone can point me to a history of gun-related crimes committed by blind people.
     
  6. ocarolan

    ocarolan Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Carry of a firearm should not require a license. So the discussion is mostly irrelevant.

    But Mr. Barber is clearly naïve about his liability when using a firearm for self-defense. He cannot just "take it out and point and shoot".
     
  7. Qaolin

    Qaolin 1 A.U. from a G2 near Beaverton Old Army Cook Silver Supporter

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    I listened to the interview with this sheriff and he claimed the blind person can draw and fire the gun at close range, like when the assailant is grappling with you. Great way to have that gun used against the owner.
     
  8. JSJPDX

    JSJPDX East Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Having the gun used against them is standard bullbubblegum from the anti-gun crowd. If the assailant is close enough to be grappling with the blind person their life is already in jeopardy; a handgun on the person at least gives them a chance.
     
  9. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I think back in the day, Jim Bowie and others would tie their wrists together, turn the lights off and see who could best use the one knife in the room.
    That didn't really sound right but in some cases, my money'd be on the blind man.
     
  10. Adam12

    Adam12 Oregon Active Member

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    I've seen hillbillies and old farts shoot at the range- not much difference
     
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  11. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    Italy apparently does this with cruise ships.... sorry, I couldn't help it.

    Brutus Out
     
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  12. TCOV

    TCOV OLYMPIC PENINSULA Active Member

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    Listened to Canadian interview with an Iowa sheriff whose daughter was legally blind and he made the point that a permit holder who is not blind is still permitted to carry/protect themselves in a dark room or at night. Because a person is legally blind does not mean they stupid or irresponsible. At close quarters in the dark they probably have sharper senses than those who are not blind. Having a weapon taken from you and used against you is a very rare occurrence that the gun grabbers like to quote, don't help them spread BS.
     
  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Some martial arts it really doesn't matter a whole lot if it's dark or if one is blind.. knock on wood. I wouldn't want to touch an Aikido master, especially when after being put to the ground it was "finished" with a blade or bullet. and that's the genesis/reason of that focus.. put on ground/control and end
     
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    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    Where does it say in the constitution that the blind are exempt?
     
  15. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    I will offer the suggestion, that in a complete black out, or even mostly "real" dark, a blind person with a gun may be at the advantage, to a seeing capable shooter!

    they know Direction by sound much better than seeing capable folks!!!

    I say provide them their safety, and they may shoot better, than the last shootings by NYPD officers, aye what????

    philip,
    in the BoonDocks, I would provide weapons for defense to blind folks, if the targets were Blue Helmets, just point towards their noise!!!!
     
  16. Netspirit

    Netspirit Bellevue, WA Active Member

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    Constitution-shmostitution... we must protect our children from those blind gun nuts!

    They are extremely dangerous because they cannot read "Gun Free Zone" awe-inducing, life-saving, crime-defeating posters.
     
  17. accessbob

    accessbob Molalla, OR 2A Supporter

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    So, if they don't know what is behind their target so if they miss the bad guy, doesn't that make it hard to be safe? I can understand wanting to be able to defend oneself. But I also wonder how they would know that shooting wouldn't take out more innocents than bad guys? Just something to ponder as the guy's statement doesn't even start to take that into account.
     
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  18. Liberty97045

    Liberty97045 Oregon City Well-Known Member

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    Anyone remember the western El Dorado with John Wayne, Robert Mitchem & James Caan?

    Caan bought a gun that had belonged to a guy who couldn't see very well. "He just shoots his scattergun where he hears someone. The piano player was playing too loud for him to hear so he shot the piano player, and they hung him."

    Sounds a bit like vice president Gaff-O-Matic's advice "just fire a shotgun through the door"
     
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    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    :paranoid::laugh::thumbup:
     
  20. Oregonhunter5

    Oregonhunter5 2C IDAHO Well-Known Member

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    I suggest they carry a 12 gauge.