Interview with the "Seattle weapon snatcher".

[Jcon268]

There's far too many people these days who stand by doing nothing out of fear of legal reprisals, or whether they're "authorized" to react! I'm sick of hearing how people watch bad things happen, and then excuse themselves saying they didn't react because they feared they might be sued, or arrested.
Does anyone really think the police would arrest anyone for stopping a thief from stealing their weapons? And if things can go wrong, is that really a reason to not react? Things can go wrong if you simply stand by too. And if those guns were used later to kill police officers, or innocent civilians, I guess those who stood by and let the guns be stolen can live with that?
There was a time when people did what was right simply because it was the right thing to do, and they were in a position where they felt they could do it. But today there are far too many who standby and simply tell themselves it's not their problem, or they don't want to get involved. Pretty damn sad to me.

The problem is the left media likes to conflate vigilantism with instances like the Ahmaud Arbery murder where some guys chased down the guy and and surrounded him and ultimate shot and killed him. They are trying to make it seem like that's what conservatives or gun owners all want to do. So no vigilantism, no police because the police are all either racist or standing up for racists by continuing to be law enforcement. So effectively they're arguing for a lawless society OR at least a society in which the laws can't reasonably be enforced by anyone. How many instances have they glossed over where the police did something good or where vigilantism actually yielded positive results?

Seems like they want chaos so they can implement a full police/military controlled state. This could all be easily avoided if the narrative could be exposed...but that's just my opinion and who's asking me? I'm just a measly right wing (Libertarian) conspiracy theorist

 

[206thsense]

Seems like they want chaos so they can implement a full police/military controlled state. This could all be easily avoided if the narrative could be exposed...but that's just my opinion and who's asking me? I'm just a measly right wing (Libertarian) conspiracy theorist

You're probably closer to the truth than what's comfortable for any of us. Whether it's Biden or Trump who wins the 2020 election, more urban chaos will equal MORE state domination and control over American life, because too many "woke" young people think a bigger Federal government is the answer to all of life's problems rather reducing the power of the system, and empowering local communities and individuals to be responsible for themselves.

I mean, what's more irrational than the same crowd that screams GUN CONTROL (more police) and at the same screams NO MORE POLICE (nobody to enforce gun control)?

On a more positive note, shooter rughi (the weapon snatcher / former marine) is currently fundraising start a small business with a goal to come out with a firearms product for both the civilian and LE/mil market. I'm curious enough that I kicked him some coffee money myself.

Donate to New Business Start Up _shooter_rughi_, organised by John Carughi

My name is John Carughi, I served as an Infantryman and Marksmanship Instructor in … John Carughi needs your support for New Business Start Up _shooter_rughi_

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[Member 38805]

The problem is the left media likes to conflate vigilantism with instances like the Ahmaud Arbery murder where some guys chased down the guy and and surrounded him and ultimate shot and killed him. They are trying to make it seem like that's what conservatives or gun owners all want to do. So no vigilantism, no police because the police are all either racist or standing up for racists by continuing to be law enforcement. So effectively they're arguing for a lawless society OR at least a society in which the laws can't reasonably be enforced by anyone. How many instances have they glossed over where the police did something good or where vigilantism actually yielded positive results?

Seems like they want chaos so they can implement a full police/military controlled state. This could all be easily avoided if the narrative could be exposed...but that's just my opinion and who's asking me? I'm just a measly right wing (Libertarian) conspiracy theorist

This is indeed a real issue with the media twisting things to make them into something bad. But should we react based on what the media will make of it? Or I guess not react because of what they might make of it? I wont let what the media might report dictate my actions. That's a major part of the problem today....people worrying about how it will look if they do something.

 

[Jcon268]

This is indeed a real issue with the media twisting things to make them into something bad. But should we react based on what the media will make of it? Or I guess not react because of what they might make of it? I wont let what the media might report dictate my actions. That's a major part of the problem today....people worrying about how it will look if they do something.

The media is a much bigger threat than a lot of people have taken it for over the last decade or more. In the "information age" it really matters where the information comes from and who is in control of it. It seems like at least 75% of the media is controlled by the left. They can easily sway the minds of youth by posting multitudes of defamatory hit pieces whether they be on Trump, NRA, or whoever they dislike. I always thought Trump should have deleted his Twitter account when he became president. He is constantly giving them segments to rip apart. No matter his intention, they'll state his intention for him. It's like they're constantly framing him for commiting crimes and he's dropping clues that they can use for evidence.

 

[Member 38805]

The media is a much bigger threat than a lot of people have taken it for over the last decade or more. In the "information age" it really matters where the information comes from and who is in control of it. It seems like at least 75% of the media is controlled by the left. They can easily sway the minds of youth by posting multitudes of defamatory hit pieces whether they be on Trump, NRA, or whoever they dislike. I always thought Trump should have deleted his Twitter account when he became president. He is constantly giving them segments to rip apart. No matter his intention, they'll state his intention for him. It's like they're constantly framing him for commiting crimes and he's dropping clues that they can use for evidence.

The media doesn't need evidence, statements, or tweets to frame anyone, especially president Trump! They've proven over and over for the last 3.5 years they can simply make it up as they go. And once one media outlet reports it, the rest pile on and print or report the same lies over and over until people buy it as truth.

 

[watermerc]

Shouldn't try to be a cop unless you ARE a cop. Sets a bad precedent. It's called being a vigilante. When someone goes to a protest armed, when the protest is not about guns, this ALSO sets a bad precedent and is looking for trouble. This guy armed up because he has a hero complex going, and he was able to feed into that successfully.

You can call this guy a hero. I call him 'lucky'. What would we be saying right now if the perp had fought over the weapon, and it had discharged and killed some innocent bystander. Maybe some woman, or a kid. The conversation would be completely different. I would have much more sympathy for the guy if he hadn't attended the protest ready-to-rock. That is someone who goes downtown LOOKING for trouble. He found it. He got lucky that time. Maybe the next time he won't.

Here's the deal. I know exactly what organization that guy is contracted with. There are a lot of guys running around who are former police officers / military specialists in plain clothes who have/had government clearances who are protecting persons, places, or things. These same guys are advisors, instructors (I.E. Police Academy / Contract Instructors for DOD/DOS/ and State governments), and use of force experts who tell the courts, politicians, and juries exactly what is and is not legal. That guy is way more credentialed than a standard police officer. I didn't listen to the podcast and I don't need to. In everyday life you might walk past an office building or drive by a vehicle and you have no clue what they are doing or what they are protecting. There are guys who work for "janitorial companies" who are all former SF or SWAT and are protecting government sites. There are plain clothes contractors protecting medical facilities and physics labs. I highly encourage you to stop taking things at face value.

 

[RedCardinalSeven]

The problem is the left media likes to conflate vigilantism with instances like the Ahmaud Arbery murder where some guys chased down the guy and and surrounded him and ultimate shot and killed him.

Maybe Ahmaud Arbery was murdered, maybe not. In any case, murder is a legal term and under our form of government such a determination is made by a judge or jury in a court of competent jurisdiction. The judicial system gets cases wrong sometimes but they will have a much more comprehensive presentation of the evidence and the law than any of the public officials who seem to pandering to the mob by judging the McMichaels guilty without a trial.

As Nolo's Plain-English Law Dictionary notes the presumption of innocence is "One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty." Everyone, of course, is entitled to their opinion but public officials, especially when speaking in their official capacity, have a duty to uphold our country's Constitutional principles. When they speak or act directly in contradiction of these principles they undermine them.

For what it's worth, the video I've seen seems to show Arbery running to the McMichaels, who are dismounted and stationary, from some distance out. Arbery appears to run along the passenger side of the truck and then run in front of it to engage Travis McMichael near the left front quarter panel. The video also appears to show Arbery had multiple potential escape routes. Video doesn't always tell the full story but I haven't seen any video of Arbery being "chased down" and "surrounded". If you have a link to such video then please share it.

 

[MannyGlocks]

This man's decision to act...was his.

Don't like it?

Ok.

You aren't him.

Easy, nothing to get upset about.

Now, fold up the armchair, quarterbacking is for quarterbacks, not you....