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Intersting... Living off the grid might land you in jail..

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by gehrheart, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    Is living off the Grid now a crime?

    Interesting artical. It seems that in some places in CA. Tha if you refuse to plug back into the grid you might land your self in jail!
    Plug in, tune out and follow the law of big brother. So much for life, liberty and the pursute of happyness!
     
  2. lowly monk

    lowly monk Beaverton, Oregon. Just a guy. Bronze Supporter

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    Glad I dont live there, I hope this never comes up here!
     
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  3. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    I lived in California in the early 80s as essentially a bum in a VW van - ahh youth. It was in Santa Barbara where you could wake up in the front seat, clear your eyes, and see bikinis strutting around everywhere. Everyone care free, parking right up into the sand, etc. No restrictive crap, no parking 'fees', nothing. Used the beach showers, cooked right on the beach. We visited every CA beach mentioned in every Beach Boy song. People were so welcoming and friendly.

    I went by there a couple years back and holy crap. Looks like you are entering an internment camp. A sign every 10' warning you of this and that; an HD camera on every pole, everything on lock down. Lock and codes on the showers. $22 parking fee. Roving private and police patrols constantly. Damn.

    If youth today could go back to the 60s, 70s, or even the 80s and just get a taste of what it was like back then vs now. Sorry, but 'now' sucks and I'd hate to be in my teens/20s and have to be paranoid of every rule. Youth today has only known the here and now. Militarized police and fear, fear, fear mongering to justify every intrusion into a person's ability to live their life unobstructed.

    I was reading an article the other day that said (tongue in cheek mostly) that someone in Communist China is actually more 'free' than we are here. The average Chinese citizen rarely ever has to come face to face with government at all. Hardly any surveillance cameras, checkpoints, etc. This vs our control-freak nation with a camera pointed at you everywhere, 10,000,000 rules and ridiculous laws and regulations, more added everyday; makes you think. Or maybe not.

    As for Portland, anyone used to cruise SE 82nd Ave? Remember when the cops would pull you over for drag racing with a cold beer in your lap and make you pour out your beer and go home!! Even if you were underage!

    Now you'd get a stack of tickets, thousands in fines, handcuffed, probed, humiliated, probably be on the evening news, license revoked, jailed, tested, DNA sampled, etc, etc. Youth today have no way of even having an idea how LESS they are free to do as they please.

    Living 'off the grid' just means you are not dependent on the energy nipple. Energy/oil is the calling card for the control freaks that own/control all of it. Scarcity = dependence = slavery. Of course, oil dependence is really a fallacy. Technologies that would replace oil 90% are a reality, but those technologies (free energy, etc) are suppressed by TPTB so we all can remain beggars. JP Morgan hijacking all of Nikola Tesla's research is a prime example. Keep that stuff away from the people.

    One thing is for sure. It won't get any better, just worse and worse since every 'freedom' the sheep give away is never given back.
     
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  4. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    Its coming every where!! They don’t want us disconnected from the grid. Debt is slavery and they want us as connected to them as possible as that is what gives them control.

    We are not in a free country anymore.

    Burt Gummer,
    I have quite a few clients that travel back and forth to China and they all agree with that sentiment to a certain degree, that in day to day life they live with more freedom then we do...

    Sad, really. we allow ourselves to become slaves to the state...
     
  5. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    My biggest worry is the gov abolishing cash! They will well and truly have us over a barrel then. Try buying a meal without your citizen card then!
     
  6. mrblond

    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    I am sure alot of it is the social elite, who bought our government, not wanting to be bothered by the little dirty people while they sip their lattes.
     
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  7. clambo

    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Well said Burt. As usual. Each day I am saddened a little bit more when I realize that my grandson will never know the simple joys I have known without fear of prosecution.

    Clambo
     
  8. PaulZ

    PaulZ Oregon City Active Member

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    It's simple guys. 60 years ago we hunted rabbits out there. Hesperia all the way to Pearblossom one on each front fender of the 36 Ford pickup and us kids in back to act as bird dogs. (rabbit dogs) Now, if you look at the google map there are places that never existed. Bedroom communities at the top of Cajon Pass!
    Civilization has made the desert out there valuable to developers and the present inhabitants will soon go the way of the Indians.
     
  9. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Social Media, Smartphones and Police Create a Stasi Web of Surveillance

    The State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) explains that those who use cash, stay in tight-knit groups, repeatedly use the word “God”, carry video or observation equipment and have hand-drawn maps are terrorists. The document goes on to explain that any type of surveillance that is not state-sponsored is terroristic in nature and should be reported.
     
  10. knuckle Head

    knuckle Head southeast Well-Known Member

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    We got to get these embysols out of office and get some new untainted blood in there.
     
  11. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Politics is a fool's game, all rigged at this point.

    Here is another good article about getting off the grid or 'decentralization'.

    Decentralize Or Die!
     
  12. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    The kind of things that are going on out in that area are not terribly surprising, there seems to be a wide-scale government movement underway in LA county to turn the high desert in that area into something more resembling Irvine, which is the example of the perfect national-socialist bedroom community. You don't own the property, everything is controlled and governed by CC&Rs, you just have a 100 year lease on your "property". Not surprisingly, it reminds me a lot of suburban Seattle, and Bellevue.

    For what it's worth, Antonovitch is a typical third-world politician, he rides around in his limo naming things after himself. His big push while I still lived down there was the "Michael D Antonovitch Natural Area" BS, where he takes large areas of land that otherwise would be open to development, or private ownership and turns them into wildland parks.

    I don't think any of the impetus to take property away from these people is based on the fact that they are not connected to the grid, it probably has a lot more to do with one of the points the reasonTV people hit on: they want to run everyone out, buy the land cheap, and then sell the property to crony developers so they can all make loads of cash. This is essentially the same thing Feinstein did with the mojave preserve. Before turning it into a preserve, her husband bought up as much of the property as possible, then when it was federalized oh look who got richer.

    While on the whole, I don't agree with Burt too frequently, he has definitely hit on one of my favorite ideas. Decentralization, or more specifically distributism is the least clear way forward for our country and society in general.

    Distributism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Oddly enough when I talk to people, this is one both right and left can get on board with. In general, I don't much care what the government does, I realize fully that most every dollar I give them is wasted. However, I want the government out of my home, and out of my business.
     
  13. Angie

    Angie Reno, NV Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Somebody wants that property for something. Be it mineral, high-speed rail, whatever. It IS on the back side of the mountains from Bakersfield, which just had another major oil discovery. Reminds me of the movie Chinatown.
     
  14. A Nomadic Hobo

    A Nomadic Hobo Nomads land, Oregon New Member

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    Well this puts me in high gear to get my property, only a few more months and I get it and start building.
     
  15. Hook686

    Hook686 Northern California Active Member

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    Code violations are the reason, not failing to 'Plug back into the grid'. I suspect code inforcement is not restricted to California. What is your problem with code compliance ?
     
  16. Thebastidge

    Thebastidge 10411 NE Fourth Plain Blvd Vancouver WA 98662 Well-Known Member

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    What's the problem with code compliance? There's a lot of reasons to not like standard building codes:

    They typically don't take into account passive solar/green building techniques that may actually exceed the performance dictated by the International Building Code, and ignorant inspectors don't understand the point of many aspects of the code, only the "letter of the law".

    It's not appropriate to every environment, and some feature you may want or need in CA won't be appropriate in AK, and vice versa.

    It adds a LOT of expense to building. It's arguable as to whether everybody should be forced into a 30 year mortgage simply to house themselves.

    Building codes and zoning go hand in hand. Urban blight has MOSTLY been caused by ignorant and short-sighted ZONING to prevent mixed-use areas.
     
  17. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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