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Interstate Firearm Sales

Discussion in 'Questions, Problems, & Feedback' started by LCspeedsteel, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. LCspeedsteel

    LCspeedsteel hillsboro Member

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    After seeing a few of the WTS/WTB ads, and in one incident one user was astounded that another wouldn't sell him a firearm across the Oregon/Washington border. I was curious just for my own info, and looked into it a bit. The scoop I got from the Oregon Firearms Federation site was that it is in fact illegal to sell across state borders. All Interstate firearms transactions need to be completed through a FFL holder. Some of you may already know this, but its just up here for those who don't.

    Here Are The Oregon Firearms Federation Legal FAQs

     
  2. dobeman

    dobeman Hillsboro Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I believe its perfectly legal for an Oregon resident to drive up to Washington and purchase a long gun and bring it home. No FFL to FFL required on long guns.

    166.490. Out-of-state purchase of firearms.
    (1) As used in this section, unless the context
    requires otherwise:
    (a) "Contiguous state" means California, Idaho,
    Nevada or Washington.
    (b) "Resident" includes an individual or a corporation
    or other business entity that maintains a
    place of business in this state.
    (2) A resident of this state may purchase or
    otherwise obtain a rifle or shotgun in a contiguous
    state and receive in this state or transport
    into this state such rifle or shotgun, unless the
    purchase or transfer violates the law of this
    state, the state in which the purchase or transfer
    is made or the United States.
    (3) This section does not apply to the purchase,
    receipt or transportation of rifles and
    shotguns by federally licensed firearms manufacturers,
    importers, dealers or collectors.
    (4) This section expires and stands repealed
    upon the date that section 922(b) (3) of the Gun
    Control Act of 1968 (18 U.S.C. 922(b) (3)) and
    regulations pursuant thereto are repealed or
    rescinded.


    This is not legal, as per (4) this has been repealed - PhysicsGuy
     
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  3. Unka-Boo

    Unka-Boo Milwaukie Active Member

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    No FTF sales across state lines, period.

    eta: you can buy from a long gun from a dealer, or transfer through a dealer from another individual, but not a private sale. Only one FFL needed.

    Handguns must be transferred to a dealer in your home state.
     
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  4. dobeman

    dobeman Hillsboro Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Oregon resident can buy a long gun from a dealer in Washington without having it transferred FFL to FFL. I thought Federal continguous state law and Oregon law makes that legal. Maybe not private individual sales.
     
  5. Unka-Boo

    Unka-Boo Milwaukie Active Member

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    Ya....that's what I just said....in a round about way...:bluelaugh:


    OR resident buying long gun from WA dealer = OK

    OR resident buying any gun from WA resident ( without FFL, a la face to face ) = NOT OK

    OR resident buying handgun from WA = must be transferred to OR FFL

    OR resident buying long gun from WA resident = can be transferred through a WA FFL

    I miss any?
     
  6. dobeman

    dobeman Hillsboro Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    this is my understanding as well. Actually, you could make the first bullet any contiguous state and its ok, is my understanding.
     
  7. Unka-Boo

    Unka-Boo Milwaukie Active Member

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    True....

    This question seems to come up once a week, and there always seems to be at least one person who believes you can do a face to face across state lines. Simply put, you would be breaking federal law if you did so.

    Absolute best thing people can do if they have doubts/questions is to call the local ATF office and ask. Believe it or not, they are helpful with questions like these...:thumbup:
     
  8. bcp

    bcp SW WA Member

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    The "contiguous state" stuff dates from when federal law did not allow an out of state purchase except in a contiguous state, if approved by your state.

    It is no longer applicable. The "contiguous state" and "state approval" section has been dropped from federal law.

    Bruce
     
  9. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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  10. Mattiosmaximos

    Mattiosmaximos Blachly Member

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    I don't really see the big deal with this, Washington is so close just have it shipped for 25 bucks or less to your local store. It would take a day or two.
    I'm just going to get my own FFL and now worry about it. Shoot buying off Gunbrokers pretty much the same.
    When I get my FFL I'm just going to do straight shipping costs, Some crazy shops charge 50 bucks just to get a gun in.
    Matthew
     
  11. meanmike58

    meanmike58 oregon Member

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    Ok, let me see if i understand this, i live in Oregon, if i go see my friend in Washington and i want to buy a handgun from him, I will have to have it shipped to a FFL dealer in Oregon? I can not buy it from him, and take it back to oregon?:huh:
     
  12. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    Please read the last part!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    Let me clarify this for confused people;

    Face to face transactions across state borders (no FFL involved) is illegal, period, no if, ands, or buts.
     
  15. meanmike58

    meanmike58 oregon Member

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    Thats all i needed to know.

    So can there be some kind of icon put on the ad to indicate what state the seller is located? Something simple, like WA for Washington, OR for Oregon ect. And if the seller is an FFL, so like WA-FFL for Washington or OR-FFL for Oregon, ect.

    Could this also be used for viewing? Like If i am in Oregon, i can click on 'Oregon' then click on 'Handguns' and only see the Handgun listings for Oregon?

    I hate it when I find a gun I want and the price is right then find out it is in Washington or Idaho. And maybe i am old-fashioned, i like to handle the gun and get its 'feel' before i buy it. To make sure that it is in as good a condition the seller claims it is in, that it functions correctly, and that it will fit into my hands.
     
  16. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    There is a prefix in front of every add title that says "WTS: OR", or other things, that show what state they are for sale in, or if it says "WTS: OR/WA", then it means that they're willing to transfer it (legally) to the other state.

    Also you can use the "advanced search" so only search certain prefixes such as Oregon, Washington, or Idaho.
     
  17. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    I want to see the mug shots and I bet fines are hefty as well. It is amazing what people think is legal.