Interesting "Solvent trap" on eBay

[jbett98]

I used to feel the same way about flying under the all seeing eyes of the ATBF with regards in purchasing a legal tax stamped suppressor.
But, after inheriting a couple of FA machine guns and a suppressor, that ship has sailed, and I haven't looked back.
I really enjoy the heck out of them and have since then built an SBR .300 Blackout with an AAC 7.62sd can that is so quiet it's spooky.
I've been looking at the KRISS Vector SBR .45 acp with a threaded barrel, but the price tag would force me to sell a couple of guns to even think about it.

 

[U201491]

People calling attention to a non issue is not all that intelligent folks.
Who are you people ???????????????
Ohh yeah I forgot............................ :/

 

[The Heretic]

I just don't shoot that much. A suppressor would be about the only NFA item I would really consider as useful since I would actually use it to shoot more (not disturb my neighbors while shooting).

Regarding the "solvent trap": I wouldn't buy one until someone authoritative published an ATF letter saying it was legal and even then probably wouldn't bother.

The fact that there are at least three different manufacturers of these adapters and no ATF letter, tells me that they are skirting the law and it is just a matter of time until they get shut down and their customer list confiscated.

 

[Riot]

FYI, these are not a new concept...the Econo Can is the first known LEGAL way to do this. The adapter was registered as the NFA item, seriel numbered and stamped. It isn't until recently that they've posted that both the can and the adapter have to have the same serial numbers and can only be replaced by the original manufacturer (as claimed by an ATF ruling in the link). They used to have a YouTube video of them placing the adapter and various oil cans on to display which one's work best and how they effect your sight picture.

It should also be noted that their price has gone down considerably (from about $130 to $85) since the popularity of the "solvent adapters".

 

[U201491]

I just don't shoot that much. A suppressor would be about the only NFA item I would really consider as useful since I would actually use it to shoot more (not disturb my neighbors while shooting).

Regarding the "solvent trap": I wouldn't buy one until someone authoritative published an ATF letter saying it was legal and even then probably wouldn't bother.

The fact that there are at least three different manufacturers of these adapters and no ATF letter, tells me that they are skirting the law and it is just a matter of time until they get shut down and their customer list confiscated.

That would include ALL Automotive parts houses, customers, all plumbing shops and customers, Most all pneumatic and hydraulic parts houses and repair shops and most machine shops and their customers.
Any tool house that sells taps or dies, or even metal tubing and about everything else metal.
That could even be said of folks that buy 1 or 2 liter pop bottles if you want to get gritty about it.
Hell why don't you just advocate locking up the entire nation.
Take the part for what it was stated and ........................ Unbelievable ........................
I think griping about Fast and Furious would be a better use of time.
Don't fart, because you might be accused of setting loose a bio or chemical weapon.............................
That is about the same level as the reasoning for this thread.

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[IronMonster]

You guys are all completely missing the point. That point being that the linked solvent trap is in fact an advanced armament suppressor can.

We are not talking about an oil filter or threaded adapter. We are talking about a ratchet attach suppressor can

 

[Riot]

That would include ALL Automotive parts houses, customers, all plumbing shops and customers, Most all pneumatic and hydraulic parts houses and repair shops and most machine shops and their customers.
Any tool house that sells taps or dies, or even metal tubing and about everything else metal.
That could even be said of folks that buy 1 or 2 liter pop bottles if you want to get gritty about it.
Hell why don't you just advocate locking up the entire nation.
Take the part for what it was stated and ........................ Unbelievable ........................
I think griping about Fast and Furious would be a better use of time.
Don't fart, because you might be accused of setting loose a bio weapon.............................

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Since we're on the topic of suppressors I thought this was an interesting read...just FYI

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c8d110-4fea-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html

 

[Riot]

You guys are all completely missing the point. That point being that the linked solvent trap is in fact an advanced armament suppressor can.

We are not talking about an oil filter or threaded adapter. We are talking about a ratchet attach suppressor can

Calling a makeshift suppressor a "solvent adapter" isn't a new thing...I guess it only really becomes illegal when you shoot out of it.

 

[IronMonster]

My question though would be where do you draw the line? This is not a pile of parts that with certain assembly could be construed to be a silencer. It is in fact part of a suppressor that can only be attached to the gun through means of an adapter specifically for A suppressor

 

[U201491]

Since we're on the topic of suppressors I thought this was an interesting read...just FYI

<broken link removed>

Nothing unusual about suppressors for combat anywhere, except when some nutcase wants to try and demonize the military. Suppessors serve many many purposes. From saving hearing to keeping troops positions more concealed, thus prolonging their lives. In truth all troops would benefit from having suppressors. All they doo is minimize the harsh crack of a gunshot, as they sure do not "silence" them. They just make it a little less conspicuous where they come from and again many other benefits. Very few combat situations use subsonics but when they do even then it is not totally silent. All in all it is a non issue except for drama queens with ulterior motives.

In civilian cases, most ranges and other field situations would benefit from the use of supressors in reducing excess noise in nearly every situation. The laws and tax on them is outdated and ridiculous for this day and age. It is just a "control" issue and another revnue stream.
Socialistic crap in other words.
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[Riot]

My question though would be where do you draw the line? This is not a pile of parts that with certain assembly could be construed to be a silencer. It is in fact part of a suppressor that can only be attached to the gun through means of an adapter specifically for A suppressor

Dunno...honestly...ATF is like a bi-Polar Ex-Girlfriend. Sometimes they say everything is okay, then they change their minds and threaten criminal charges.

FYI, a former FBI agent was arrested on weapons charges...amung one of the items confiscated was

One (1) threaded aluminum coupling with Hex screw, used to secure automotive oil filter to firearm barrel
One (1) Pennzoil, model PZ-48, oil filter

81. One (1) Aluminum "Solvent Trap"

http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/kltv/PDF/Brodyweaponsseized.pdf

So that is definitely not a monster I would want to be messing with.

 

[Riot]

Nothing unusual about suppressors for combat anywhere, except when some nutcase wants to try and demonize the military. Suppessors serve many many purposes. From saving hearing to keeping troops positions more concealed, thus prolonging their lives. In truth all troops would benefit from having suppressors. All they doo is minimize the harsh crack of a gunshot, as they sure do not "silence" them. They just make it a little less conspicuous where they come from and again many other benefits. Very few combat situations use subsonics but when they do even then it is not totally silent. All in all it is a non issue except for drama queens with ulterior motives.

In civilian cases, most ranges and other field situations would benefit from the use of supressors in reducing excess noise in nearly every situation. The laws and tax on them is outdated and ridiculous for this day and age. It is just a "control" issue and another revnue stream.
Socialistic crap in other words.
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Not arguing with you...but this argument should be made with the ATF, not with us. People pointing out that it is illegal to do so people don't get into trouble is not a bad thing...

 

[U201491]

Calling a makeshift suppressor a "solvent adapter" isn't a new thing...I guess it only really becomes illegal when you shoot out of it.

There are a thousand things that could be called "solvent traps, and most could be used for one illegal purpose or another. What do they propose, making anything that might slide onto or screw onto a barrel illegal... good luck with that. Most of the business I listed would have to lock their doors
ROFLMAO
No more auto parts or hydraulic repair for sure.......................
Good luck buying a flashlight, or parts to fix your sink or tractor, or sprinkler system......................
And as for the "solvent trap, the guys shooting cast lead, would just be out of luck for soaking their barrel to get rid of the severe leading <G> (original use for the "solvent trap")
Ohh and because you can stuff ground up match heads into a tube and make it go boom would you propose outlawing matches and tubes based on that as well... ???????????????????????
Lord help anyone that has vinegar and baking soda. or about half a million other products.............

 

[U201491]

Not arguing with you...but this argument should be made with the ATF, not with us. People pointing out that it is illegal to do so people don't get into trouble is not a bad thing...

Just silence on non issues is always a better option for pro gun people !!!!!!!!
Big flags (stir the pot posts) are usually from the enemy camps and put out as "duh who me type questions designed to instigate" This topic is and was also a dead horse. All it does is stir up the anti's and feeds them.

 

[Riot]

There are a thousand things that could be called "solvent traps, and most could be used for one illegal purpose or another. What do they propose, making anything that might slide onto or screw onto a barrel illegal... good luck with that. Most of the business I listed would have to lock their doors
ROFLMAO
No more auto parts or hydraulic repair for sure.......................
Good luck buying a flashlight, or parts to fix your sink or tractor, or sprinkler system......................
And as for the "solvent trap, the guys shooting cast lead, would just be out of luck for soaking their barrel to get rid of the severe leading <G> (original use for the "solvent trap")
Ohh and because you can stuff ground up match heads into a tube and make it go boom would you propose outlawing matches and tubes based on that as well... ???????????????????????
Lord help anyone that has vinegar and baking soda. or about half a million other products.............

Like I said, I would suppose that it would only become illegal when you shoot out of it (kind of like how just because you are drunk and have car keys on you doesn't mean you're a drunk driver). I can see how someone can get in trouble if they have this thing on the gun and a loaded mag in the receiver could be articulated as intent. Nevertheless, I get what you're saying Taku...I could really care less that people are buying these bolts, slapping it on their rifle and throwing an oil can on it.

But lets be real, using that stuff as a suppressor is illegal as hell without a stamp...

 

[Riot]

Just silence on non issues is always a better option for pro gun people !!!!!!!!
Big flags (stir the pot posts) are usually from the enemy camps and put out as "duh who me type questions designed to instigate" This topic is and was also a dead horse. All it does is stir up the anti's and feeds them.

Heaven forbid we use a gun forum to tell gun owners what's illegal to do with their gun...

 

[erudne]

Calling a makeshift suppressor a "solvent adapter" isn't a new thing...I guess it only really becomes illegal when you shoot out of it.

no, not from what I've read, it's the same as FA parts for an M-4, if you have the parts and an AR you are defacto in possession of an FA firearm, just another reason to disban the ATF

 

[IronMonster]

That is complete and utter BS, this post is about a Advanced Armerment can being sold as a solvent trap.

I'm sorry but you can't go down to the auto parts or tractor store and buy a ratchet attach suppressor can.

This is a legitimate post asking real questions, it is not a dead issue.

And I think it's quite rude to imply I am a anti gun pot stirer

 

[U201491]

My question though would be where do you draw the line? This is not a pile of parts that with certain assembly could be construed to be a silencer. It is in fact part of a suppressor that can only be attached to the gun through means of an adapter specifically for A suppressor

You might talk to many that shoot, cast lead. The solvent trap is not a new term. Some use a plug some use a trap. Because some alter the original parts, does not construe the original part as illegal. No different than if you were to add a selector and connector to a Semi Auto. Just don't do it, that is a solution. Banning something is not. Advocating bans or more laws is as bad as it gets, and so is stirring anti people up about nothing.
About like trying to hide the "chicken pox" (our administration) by hiding it behind ebola.
There is an inherent evil in using all the above for negative attention or to cover negative acts...................
(negative = Leftist actions)

Anyway.................... still a issue.

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[IronMonster]

again, since you seem to be stuck o the whole solvent trap issue, I am not disputing the use of or legality of a solvent trap. Specifically the use of a known suppressor manufactures ratchet attach "can" for use as one. It is more or less saying, "Oh that suppressor part? I just use that to clean my gun". It's not an oil filter.


What ever, you have derailed the thread and any reasonable discussion is now out the window