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Interesting data, if accurate

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by FortunateSon, Dec 7, 2015.

  1. FortunateSon

    FortunateSon Marion County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    "For every 1,000 residents in Oregon, there are 11.4 guns. That's 44,811 registered firearms among 3,930,065 people."

    what does "registered firearm" mean?
     
  3. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Good question. While we wait for an answer, I'll just say, I suspect the total number of ACTUAL firearms in the state of OR is probably just a tad higher o_O
     
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    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    The DC number is driven by armed security forces.
     
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  5. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    That's really the only explanation considering how near impossible it is for a D.C. resident to own a gun for any reason, including strictly for in home self defense.
     
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  6. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    I believe Wyoming certainly is #1. What I have trouble believing is that Montana is tied with Connecticut. In 25th place. :rolleyes:

    Also I wonder if their numbers add up to 300 million guns. Their numbers seem very low.
     
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  7. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Well I was under the assumption that there was no registration of firearms in the US.
    I guarantee that those numbers are way low......
     
  8. Hawaiian

    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It is a Bogus anti news article. There are more CHL's in Oregon than that.

    Between 2011 and 2014, 46,655 permits to carry concealed firearms in the counties surrounding Portland were issued, according to data obtained by GoLocalPDX.

    In Washington, Clackamas, and Multnomah Counties, there are a combined 64,308 active Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHL), according to the most recent available data.

    In Multnomah County alone, the number of active permits grew from 16,090 in 2011 to 22,875 in 2014. The number of permits grew more slowly in Washington County, from 14,339 in 2011 to 19,965 in 2014. Between 2011 and 2014, 23,347 CHL’s were issued in Clackamas County.
     
  9. CHLChris

    CHLChris Portland Metro East Love me some guns! Bronze Supporter

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    See what a little research does? Makes you wonder why reporters don't actually research anymore.
     
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  10. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    The "Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect" is why I dont trust the media, even if an article supports my position

    "Media carries with it a credibility that is totally undeserved. You have all experienced this, in what I call the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. (I call it by this name because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have.)

    Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

    In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story-and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read with renewed interest as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about far-off Palestine than it was about the story you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

    That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I’d point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all.

    But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn’t. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia."

    http://seekerblog.com/2006/01/31/the-murray-gell-mann-amnesia-effect/
     
  11. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I know NY has registration and pretty sure NJ does too. California? is that a real registration?
    I'm sure there are other states that do cause some states check what ammo you buy
     
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  12. CHLChris

    CHLChris Portland Metro East Love me some guns! Bronze Supporter

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    Well, if the state noted that I was buying 9mm ammo, and extrapolated that I had one 9mm handgun, they would be absolutely understating the number!

    Same with most of my calibers, and probably the same for many of us.
     
  13. nehalemguy

    nehalemguy Vernonia Well-Known Member

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    OSP conducted 23k+ background checks in the month of October alone, so either people are buying in firearm futures, or those 44k "registered" firearms are getting bought and sold a whole bunch.:eek:

    E
     
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  14. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    About the time someone I know got a CPL here in WA there were 390,000 plus CPLS in our state. That's about 1 in 10 schmoes walking down the street with heat.... rhyme intended. Personally, I think every transfer is a "registration" regardless of what the Feds, the local LEOS or the state might say.

    Brutus Out
     
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    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    So that guy in South Carolina that recently had all those "illegal" guns confiscated had all the guns in South Carolina?
    I don't think so
     
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    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Exactly why it's important to do further research or even fact-check a story before assuming you have the real story. I try to do my best to do that, though I do get sucked in from time to time. Many folks, sadly, can't or won't be bothered to verify the validity of a story - in a world where the most important thing is to be the first to comment or share or express outrage, there is precious little time for research.
     
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  17. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Whenever math is involved, try to do a mental ballpark to see if the, no matter who derived the final result, makes sense. 1+1 does not equal -2. check
     
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    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. There's absolutely no reason to get your news/information from anything other than the written word. Numerous sources. Books, magazines, websites. TV news, regardless of your political leanings, is propaganda.
     
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    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Actually, if 1+1 does not equal 2, it's probably just Common Core math ;)
     
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  20. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have no problem using the MSM for my breaking news and leads on certain stories. If they're talking about it, then I probably want to know what they're saying. My opinions and decisions, however, will be informed by my own research and by talking to folks that are better informed on the issue than the typical journalism graduate. So I do believe the MSM has a place, just not the exalted place they see themselves in.
     
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