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in your opinion, who is it trying to take your guns

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Just Jim, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    I can make a strong argument on who is working hard to take our guns but I want opinions to see if anyone else figured it out. Can't fix a problem if you don't know what causes it.:D
     
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    Good question. Most people usually refer to them as "they"

    Khrushchev said: "We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find out they have Communism"......

    So, I assume it is those who have the desire to move us towards socialism and/or communism will also need us to be dumbed down and disarmed before they can get away with their nefarious deeds.

    Seems pretty obvious that 0boma and his ilk are pressing that agenda. Even more obvious when their rhetoric about common sense gun measures make NO sense and will do NOTHING to reduce access to firearms by criminals (stating the obvious here)...

    Food for thought...Marxism-Leninism is particularly effective on the semantic level where it exhibits a devastating duality. It lulls its adversaries to sleep, while at the same time it mobilizes its followers to revolutionary action.
     
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  3. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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    Agenda 21; globalization is more difficult to achieve when individuals insist on keeping their damned property, liberty & their nationalism. :D

    Edit: Its a multi-front campaign; look at the SA 8,000 framework, and it's effect on global commerce. It is well-embeded with nearly every corner of the globe.

    Were not simply fighting a bunch of liberals....and this is nothing new......;
    "Novus Ordo Seclorum"; has been on the "dollar" for a long time.

    They killed President Lincoln because he resisted the Federal Reserve.
     
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  6. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I see it as two different groups - the first being made up of those in the government that really do believe they need us disarmed so they can push more and more on us with less concern of violent resistance. They are empowered by some very powerful wealthy folks with the same agenda. And I don't limit that to just Democrats. I think there are folks in both major parties (as well as minor parties) that really only care about power and control. Any of them are potential candidates for gun grabber status.

    Then there is John and Jane Public, specifically the uniformed, emotionally driven, idealistic, Utopian-minded fool that believes an armed society is too dangerous and all weapons (well at least the ones they don't personally like) need to be taken away - at least from you and me, it's awesome if our government overlords are heavily armed. They are the brainwashed masses that buy into the mind games of the elite in politics and actually believe the snake oil they're selling will do what they promise, i.e. taking all guns = complete peace.

    The number of people that believe in true freedom and liberty, who respect the price that was paid to earn it for us and understand that that same freedom and liberty is not always a safe and happy place, seems to be dwindling. Such a sad statement.
     
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  7. Just Jim

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    I respectfully disagree and give another hint:D
    http://www.democratandchronicle.com...n/2015/10/09/obamas-legacy-guns-ban/73682284/
     
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    You are really close in my opinion but look at what the commies do when they take over a nation. First they destroy a government and then they destroy the institutions of higher learning. The very culture of the nation comes from higher learning. Think about that as you look at America...
     
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    Big money? Like a guarenteed income from student loans and the political power that got it for them. Look at government, who isn't trained by higher education?
     
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    So then, who is organizing all of it? Someone, either an individual or group of individuals, would have to be the driving force. They would have to wield considerable influence at all levels to pull it off. So who would that be?
     
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    "Let us control the money of a country and we care not who makes its laws."
     
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    Addendum; much of the planet still has an "axe to grind" with our Founding Fathers.
     
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    I will answer that as simple as possible, follow the money. Where are they getting the money to indoctrinate our culture?
     
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    There is hardly a simple answer to that question. If you're suggesting the Chinese, that is certainly one source, but there are many others. Just look at Common Core, for example, which is being pushed by a handful of liberal elitists like Bill Gates. I don't disagree with you, but I don't know that it can be answered simply, I think it's a very complex web of a variety of sources.
     
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    Who is talking about the religion of peace, and where did that phrase come from. Why are Christians being nailed to crosses, beheaded, burned and tortured in the ME and Zero goes to bat for Islam. The beast is rising and his false prophet is sitting in Rome. All this other business is smoke screen for those with no eternal perspective.
     
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    The socialist of academia have infiltrated the government enough that they have power of the purse. They don't need donors when they have willing corruption in government to fund them. Student loans are their power along with huge government grants.

    Our education system that controls our culture is corrupt and will bring this country down. Look at what is different, changes in America and where did it come from? PC came from higher education, our kids have all been dumbed down and you can't get a government job without a college education.
     
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    Slaves to .gov the moment they leave college. Burdened with the equivalent of a mortgage right off the bat because no one told them they can make more as a journeyman tradesman and have no debt to boot.

    Why? Because nothing in this world drives a man towards the truth.
     
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