In lieu of registration, should I vote with my feet?

[Martini_Up]

Two Choices?
Isn't there a third?

Thread title has two choices. My response was basically same question as yours...

 

[Martini_Up]

You have an election looming on horizon , vote accordingly (Unless you move away first)

So for decades I've votes and for decades this state has continued it's slide to socialism. You think that suddenly this election is going to be different and all these conservative voters are going to move to our state and change the political dynamic? Moreover, you wish everyone who wants to enjoy more freedom than is offered here should not move and should stay to endure the added restrictions/potential registration and perhaps ultimate confiscation coupled with criminal charges should they not comply?

If fighting means sitting here in Oregon to vote conservative, trying to talk liberals (whom have labeled you as a out of touch gun-nut whack-job) into voting for 2nd amendment rights and all awhile paying outrageous property taxes/income which continue to move up and up so I can look at a mountain well there are other mountains, streams, clear blue skies (which haven't had the mental disease of socialism spread across the populace like it has here then) I'm not up for that. Sorry. That's one freedom I do still have. I can move.

 

[redpeak]

I am planning on leaving to the American redoubt. My criteria are no state income tax, low property taxes, and respect for freedom. It will likely be a couple of years before I am able to leave and do intend to continue resisting these attacks on our rights and support our gun rights organizations. But I am not a fool and I know our successes here will likely be very limited given the welfare and entitlement environment that now defines Oregon.

I came to Oregon a few years ago from Arizona when I transferred jobs. The property taxes alone are 3 times what they were for a similar home in Arizona, income tax is more than double Arizona rate (4% vs 9.9%). Oregon doesn't yet have sales and auto taxes but my guess is they will work on creating them in the near future.

I do look forward to denying Oregon my tax revenue. I was already planning on bailing on Oregon for the taxes alone.

This SB 941 is just the last slap in the face. I will not tolerate being made a felon for my previously lawful activities. SB 941 is far from the end of their anti-gun legislation as it accomplished nothing other than establishing their dominance of the legislature on the gun issue. Expect the dreaded "assault weapon" ban and magazine limits to be introduced soon.

Nationwide we had a large shift towards freedom except for Oregon. In the end standing and fighting here will not accomplish much given the enemies overwhelming numbers. We are behind enemy lines now. By migrating to free states, we will increase the likelihood they stay free longer. I do not expect a large conservative migration to Oregon.

 

[Quacky88]

Next few years and election cycles will "Put a Nail in the Coffin" or stem the tide of the agenda that's been infecting the state. My previous posts and likes in this thread shed light on my opinions and feelings and love of this State and the importance of being proactive politically and socially for the betterment and growth of our cause.

I will put any energy and time I have available to network and fight these upcoming battles to the best of my abilities as I know many here will do.... BUT I am a young man with a young family with the future of my little ones and their environment on in the forefront of my mind. So if these next few years continue in the same manner politically despite all efforts and energy expended you better believe I'm "Voting with my Feet" and GTFO.

God willing I have a lot of work years left ahead of me and if they ruin why I love this State I refuse to let the money taken out of my check and what I make to go back into the corrupt machine and system I was fighting to pay for programs, people and Politicians I'd rather see disappear.I sympathize with those of you older members who have already had a lifetime of disappointment politically despite your efforts and respect you for seeing "The Writing on The Wall" and choosing to cash out.

As I've stated I believe these upcoming battles are the ones that will decide the war for the territory and will join all in Giving 'Em Hell... But If it goes thier way I refuse to raise my Family and live till the end of my days in Enemy Territory when there is some beautiful land and people left slightly to the East that will fit my desirable future and life goals...

 

[BigBull 301]

We are moving. It was decided before this BS bill passed. It just reaffirms we are making the correct decision. I'm sick of the stinking unwashed hippy lib-retards with their welfare attitudes.

Hello free state, here we come!

 

[NWGlockgal]

You guys think you can flee to Montana or Wyoming and this won't wind up there , its so sad that you guys are parroting calguns.net postings of like 2008 with your willingness to move rather than vote the bums out...

Oh, I vote the bums out every election. The problem is not enough of the population votes that way. They just keep electing the same idiots and then complain about them...or even worse actually think they are doing a good job.

 

[mjbskwim]

I kinda did when I moved to Idaho. The rain and the politics

 

[Partsproduction]

As a Christian I'm required by conscience to obey the law, no matter how idiotic it is. That leaves me only one way out.
My wife and I are looking at property in Idaho.

 

[Gator Monroe]

Oh, I vote the bums out every election. The problem is not enough of the population votes that way. They just keep electing the same idiots and then complain about them...or even worse actually think they are doing a good job.

That is because so many of us here (Not me mind you) are "Socially Liberal" and hold "Other Issues" above 2A/RTKBA and will bend & twist like a pretzel to convince themselves that they are he men outdoorsmen with morals & Old School values yet they run to the polls & vote the same as a Portlandia street leftist agitator with extra piercings and an expensive Che tat...

 

[mrblond]

I'll tell you right now, I am not registering a damn thing. they can kiss my Lilly white bubblegum.

 

[cascadianliberty2012]

I've had a long day and didn't expect to come home to 3 pages on this thread lol. I just read everything... I'm glad we're actually discussing this and some of you wrote some very long responses, for which I am grateful. Anyways, I had posted this thread because in the past I've made comments on other threads where people pretty much bashed me for mentioning my thoughts of leaving the state, so I was kind of expecting more of that, but I'm glad that wasn't the case.

One thing that strikes me especially is the idea that by leaving Oregon, we (whoever does) would be effectively cutting our perceived losses here and solidifying the position of another. Now, I'm no conservative in the true sense, as I identify as both a political and philosophical L/libertarian, but that ends up meaning that I vote Republican in a lot of cases, such as 2A, and Libertarian in others. I have yet to vote for a Democrat. I realize that Libertarians are somewhat uncommon by percentage, so I damn well know that if it comes down to it, I'll be "in the trenches" with all you conservatives, and will be damn glad about it.

Another comment I'd like to address was about leaving for the right reasons: I throw Montana around as a name not because it is some Western state that isn't Oregon or Washington, but rather because everything I'd ever want is there, and in the long run I think I could accomplish my own personal goals more successfully there, than here. Being a male in the nursing field makes getting work rather easy, especially in the "flyover" states, so upon graduation in December, I can choose to go wherever. Until the passage of this bill I was considering moving back to Oregon, saving some money on living expenses, then considering moving later, but with this, I'll be damned if I give the Oregon government another cent.

I'd probably have already ditched my Oregon ID and registration in favor of that absolutely AWESOME Gadsden Flag Virginia license plate, but I'm not going to pay the absurd Virginia state and city "personal property vehicle tax" (yes, here you are supposed to pay a yearly tax on the value of your car just to keep it registered, and legally parked on your own property).

 

[U201491]

When the one thing we need is Those that will vote against these Leftists, and we need more here to defeat them. It really is irritating to see so many that are willing to literally become deserters rather than stay and fight to regain our state.
We are literally in a war here and desertion seems to be the way some want to solve that.
Just hand the state over to them...what a crock of ____________

 

[Martini_Up]

When the one thing we need is Those that will vote against these Leftists, and we need more here to defeat them. It really is irritating to see so many that are willing to literally become deserters rather than stay and fight to regain our state.
We are literally in a war here and desertion seems to be the way some want to solve that.
Just hand the state over to them...what a crock of ____________

NOT DESERTING!! Falling back to a fortified position.

 

[drew]

I started thinking of looking at leaving OR when this was introduced in the Senate but really couldn't. I knew a raw deal was coming but this state is my home and we need to fix it.

As much as I like states like Alaska or Montana they will never be home. I hope I am never pushed out of OR.

I also think there is a chance to make some inroads in state politics too.

 

[Jabba]

I think the biggest problem with politics in Oregon is the Republican party hasn't adjusted to the reality of the voting population. Very few voters are 1-issue voters, some on here may see gun rights as their one issue, but overall that is very small. The Republicans have to ask why they haven't held the governor's seat in living memory, and change their platform until they can contest an election. They will have to give up on things like bashing gays, prioritizing business over the environment, immigration, and other positions that are not central to the conservative ideology. They are hampered somewhat by the perception of the national republican party, but a local election should be able to overcome that. Republicans get the same corporate money as Democrats and can buy just as many ads.

There are plenty of independents who get pissed of by what Democrats are doing, the Republicans just happen to piss them off a little more.

I don't see myself leaving Oregon for a while, I'd rather fight to make it better.

 

[Just Jim]

When the one thing we need is Those that will vote against these Leftists, and we need more here to defeat them. It really is irritating to see so many that are willing to literally become deserters rather than stay and fight to regain our state.
We are literally in a war here and desertion seems to be the way some want to solve that.
Just hand the state over to them...what a crock of ____________

Worked on a road crew that really got angry when we were bought out and the new bosses came on board. New bosses were liars and thieves and had no idea how to motivate men. One crew member was the loudest in hatred but everyone was being abused. So I took the complaints to HR straight to corporate in another state. Went to battle to make a better, safer workplace but HR said I needed others to stand up too or it was my word against the foremans.

Everyone was brought into a meeting and only one man out of 7 had the balls to stand up and stand with me. Lots of complainers in the world that are cowards. So I won't put my skill and hard work up with a bunch of cowards so I retired early. It's a year later and only one fellow left on the crew, they all lost their jobs anyway. Point being if those who have the most to lose won't stand up with you then why stay here.

 

[Martini_Up]

I think the biggest problem with politics in Oregon is the Republican party hasn't adjusted to the reality of the voting population. Very few voters are 1-issue voters, some on here may see gun rights as their one issue, but overall that is very small. The Republicans have to ask why they haven't held the governor's seat in living memory, and change their platform until they can contest an election. They will have to give up on things like bashing gays, prioritizing business over the environment, immigration, and other positions that are not central to the conservative ideology. They are hampered somewhat by the perception of the national republican party, but a local election should be able to overcome that. Republicans get the same corporate money as Democrats and can buy just as many ads.

There are plenty of independents who get pissed of by what Democrats are doing, the Republicans just happen to piss them off a little more.

I don't see myself leaving Oregon for a while, I'd rather fight to make it better.

How about a paradigm shift? Everyone register as a DEMOCRAT. We can then vote in the primaries and select a pro-2nd Democrat. Change the Democratic party instead of trying to get a RINO acting like a democrat into office.

 

[cascadianliberty2012]

That reminds me of the meme: "Don't like the gas chamber? Join the gas chamber and change it from the inside!"

 

[Gator Monroe]

How about a paradigm shift? Everyone register as a DEMOCRAT. We can then vote in the primaries and select a pro-2nd Democrat. Change the Democratic party instead of trying to get a RINO acting like a democrat into office.

This is worse that bailing on the State , srsly ...

 

[Martini_Up]

This is worse that bailing on the State , srsly ...

How, exactly? You get to vote in their primaries - perhaps for a 2a supporter - and then in the general you vote for whomever - hopefully an even bigger 2a supporter.

Better than continuing to slide into the socialist abyss this state is currently trending towards.... and I won't go there with it. I'd rather leave than have all my firearms registered and ultimately confiscated (with jail should I not comply)