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I'm Curious "THE UN ARMS TREATY" ???

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Mark W., Jul 22, 2012.

  1. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    For weeks now people been going on about the UN Arms treaty that may or may not get signed. And all the doom and gloom it can cause for firearms owners in the USA.


    HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS SO CALLED TREATY?


    I sure haven't I have read heard and seen all kinds of experts tell me what is in it but to the best of my knowledge not a single one of those experts has seen the thing.

    The Arms Trade Treaty is the name of a controversial potential multilateral treaty that would regulate the international trade in conventional weapons. The treaty will be negotiated at a global conference under the auspices of the United Nations from July 2 – 27, 2012 in New York.

    SO if I read that from Wiki correctly the thing hasn't even been argued about in the UN.

    Not saying it can't do Gun owners here in the USA harm. Just having a hard time with the idea its not even an actual treaty yet.
     
  2. whiskeybill

    whiskeybill Battle Ground, WA Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we're going to see a rough draft or a final treaty available for public scrutiny. What kind of transparency can we expect from government anymore? The tragic part of this so called "treaty" is that the Senate won't even get to vote on it for ratification. Under "rules" of the Vienna Convention, if the appointed representative of the US signs onto an international treaty, and if the President does not act one way or the other, or if the Senate does not bring it to a vote, then the treaty is considered legal and binding to the signatory nation. Imagine that. One political party wielding so much power over the sovriegnty of a nation. Domestic legislation passed that never gets public scrutiny. International treaties entered into without the advise and consent of the Senate. The President not even so much as bragging up his accomplishment. The press not even so much as asking him what he thinks of the treaty or our signing onto it. Nope, you are looking at the "Fundamental transformation of America" my friend.
     
  3. timac

    timac Loading Magazines! Well-Known Member

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    I don't think they could backdoor the UN Arms treaty by way of the Vienna Convention, as we never ratified the Convention.
     
  4. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    A couple weeks ago one of the news people on FOX gave a detailed explanation of it (don't ask me to remember) but I recall it sounding very dirty, sneaky and clandestine and above all - complicated. One would have to be an expert in some sort of international law, and politics to understand it. I got confused just listening to it.
     
  5. Key-Hay

    Key-Hay North Carolina Active Member

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    Over half the world ignores what the UN comes up with anyway.
     
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  6. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    Shocking with these radical unamerican whitehouse. Just shocking But remember the left side always says you are just fear mongering, what has this prez done to get rid of your 2A rights. We will see who is crying to there momma when its over.
     
  7. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It is humorous in a very sad way to see the automatic knee jerk reactionary stuff like "radical unamerican whitehouse". Frankly, I am embarrassed for you. Let's remember the current administration expanded gun rights to include national parks. When the Ft. Hood and Gabby Giffords shootings occured he did nothing to use those situations for a gun control policy.

    I remember first hearing about this UN International Arms Treaty back during the waning days of the Bush administration. So far absolutely nothing has been done by this country in so far as this issue goes. As someone else pointed out it hasn't even been discussed at the UN yet to the point of it being any kind of issue.

    One thing I've noted after frequenting a half dozen or more gun forums over the past 10 years is that gun owners tend to be their own worst enemy when it comes to fear mongering. The sky is not falling.
     
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  8. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    Frankly I am embarrassed by you for pretending 2A rights
     
  9. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Here's what is published by High Noon Holsters:

    Looks like it comes direct from the NRA website which has won awards for accurate reporting BTW.
     
  10. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't matter, other countries will ratify it which could cut off imported weapons from outside the US.
     
  11. Kaniffy117

    Kaniffy117 Edmonds Member

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    Even if it does cut off imported weapons, couldn't they set up shop here in the US to possibly by pass it? Build factories, shops, and build the product here? Thats probably a long shot though if even possible at all...
     
  12. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have a question based on this statement. Lets say Italy signes this treaty and as a result of our not signing it the treaty puts some restriction that stops Italy from exporting their firearms to the USA. Where are:

    Abbiatico & Salvinelli
    Amerigo Cosmi
    Antonio Zoli
    Armeria Cortesi
    Armeria Tucci
    Armi Art
    Armi Salvinelli
    Benelli Armi, s.p.a.
    Beretta.it
    Breda Fucili
    Caesar Guerin
    Chiappa Firearms
    Davide Pedersoli & C.
    Effebi, snc.
    Fabarm
    Fabbri
    Fabbrica Armi Val Susa
    F A I R
    Falco
    Famars di Abbiatico and Salvinelli
    Fausti Stefano, s.r.l.
    Ferlib fine firearms
    F.lli Poli Armi
    F.lli Rizzini gun factory
    Franchi
    Fratelli Gamba Armi
    Investarm, s.p.a.
    Luciano Bosis
    Mauro Battaglia
    Pedersoli
    Perazzi Armi, s.r.l.
    Perugini e Visini
    Piotti Fratelli s.n.c
    Redolfi Fratelli, s.n.c.
    Renato Gamba
    Rizzini & Tanfoglio, s.r.l.
    Rizzini snc di Rizzini B. & C.
    Sabatti, s.r.l.
    Silma
    Tanfoglio
    Uberti
    Vincenzo Bernardelli
    W. R. Saleri di Saleri William & C
    Zanardini arms

    Going to be selling their firearms?

    How about all the other companies that the USA is their main market?

    I have a hard time seeing many of these countries sitting back and watching the UN cut off a major export market.
     
  13. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    Being that the U.S. funds approximately 1/4 of the budget for the U.N. all we need to do is demand that the U.S. not fund the U.N. and vote to back it up - without U.S. backing the U.N. is an utter failure.

    Other things to consider - the Supreme Court has in the past upheld that no treaty shall override the constitution. Any portion of a treaty that is in violation of the constitution is not enforceable in the U.S. and shall not be complied with.

    I agree that firearms companies in other countries would have to open up shop here in the U.S. to stay alive if the treaty were to limit their sales and many of them currently have a foot in the door. There are 3 advantages if this happens - first - more jobs in the U.S., second it would circumvent the treaty, and third - as the firearms would be manufactured here in the U.S. you wouldn't have to worry about import restrictions or 922R compliance issues.
     
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  14. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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  15. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    Redcap -
    I have this fine U.N. issued rifle - never been fired, only dropped once!
     
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  16. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    The Socialist in Chief will be signing the treaty on the 27th. Remember that he said that he was working on gun control "under the radar". If he's reelected, you can count on serious gun control. His political and moral dogma demands an unarmed opposition.
     
  17. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    President of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Before you declare the threat to the Constitution, and appoint yourself as its protector, perhaps you should understand first what and how it does.
     
  18. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    What makes you believe that the Socialist in Chief will adhere to the Constitution? He hasn't yet.
     
  19. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    What does enable presidential powers ? Will of God ? Magic ? If one declares himself a king tomorrow, will you bow to him ? :)
     
  20. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Holy moly guy. I only have one word for you: Xanax.
     
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