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I'm a leftie. Can I join the NRA?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Pigdog, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. Pigdog

    Pigdog Vancouver, WA New Member

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    Hi All,
    First off, I know I "can" join the NRA. I'm wondering if I can do it without harming, hindering or otherwise going against my other political principles. I really don't want to sidetrack the discussion by going into the validity of those other beliefs. So, hopefully we can leave it at this:
    1) I cherish the second ammendment and the rights that it grants.
    2) For better or for worse gun rights are the domain and political property of the political right.
    3) I'm a leftie in almost all other ways. Not a democrat, they aren't anywhere near far enough left.
    So, here is my fear. Every dolar that I give to the NRA goes into the pocket of someone who, while they fight for my second ammendment rights, is also working against gay marriage, or is trying to dismantle labor unions, or is a climate sceptic, etc.
    Again, please, let's try to stay on topic. Can a leftie, in good conscience, join the NRA?
     
  2. Nutty4Guns

    Nutty4Guns Portland ADHD Superstar

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    Yes and No. That is my final answer!
     
  3. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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  4. locobob

    locobob Beaverton, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yes you can join the NRA. Most of the NRA's political money flows through their institute for legislative action (ILA) and their political victory fund which are both entities that you join or contribute to separately.
     
  5. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    First off, neither The Constitution, nor ANY government entity "grants" the citizen his/her rights. Those rights are inalienable, The Constitution merely recognizes/reiterates that FACT.
    See the difference?
    One side of the political spectrum however, believes what you wrote. That "rights" are only rights because they say so.
    That would be the left side of the spectrum, the side that supports the notion that all freedoms are spawned by the government, and can therefore be removed if they deem them unnecessary or "unjust" for social or other reasons.
    This belief is entirely predicated on the notion that the government is the "be-all/end-all" for it's citizens.
    This ideal runs counter to the founder's intent, and that is why The Constitution and the Bill of Rights came to be.
    Gun rights are the property, political and otherwise, of EVERY AMERICAN, unless they surrender them through political folly, or by demonstrating that they are too irresponsible to wield them within the framework of an organized, productive society, and were judged to be so in a court of law.

    It sounds like joining the NRA would be good for you, and help you with your ability to hit the correct "talking points" when you are contacting your government representatives, and may even help you decide on who to vote for!
     
  6. mpmax

    mpmax Woodburn Active Member

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    If you are a true leftie, you shouldn't be joining an organization that believes ALL citizens have a right to keep & bear arms. The ignorent masses owning guns is "counter-revolutionary". They may revolt against your left wing nonsense when they won't go to your "re-education" camps. Please exploit the worker some other way comrade.
     
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  7. Asp

    Asp Oregon, the promise land. Active Member

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    Forget the NRA.
    Move to Oregon and support Oregon Firearms Federation (OFF).
     
  8. Abiqua

    Abiqua Oregon Active Member

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    Agreed. Although I am a life member of the NRA I believe they are too willing to sell out or ignore certain subgroups of gun owners. There are better choices.
     
  9. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I suggest you attend a local Friends of the NRA meeting and ask them in person. During the meeting just stand up and say "My name is Pigdog and I am a leftie. I am not a democrat, they aren't anywhere near far enough left for me. Can I join?"
     
  10. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Beaverton Active Member

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    As stated earlier..
    Move to Oregon, support the OFF.
     
  11. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    better yet move to California on Mexico.
     
  12. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    I avoid the NRA and OFF because both are largely now just tools of generally-right-wing political groups. Both take unfounded stances against Democratic candidates that are pro-gun solely because they are Democrats. I prefer the Second Amendment Foundation at the national level, and the Oregon State Shooting Association in Oregon. (Don't know about any Washington groups, sorry.)

    The NRA used to be honestly non-partisan, and I could support them then. But as soon as they became just a wing of the Republican Party, I could no longer in good conscience support them. (And I was registered Republican when I made that decision!)
     
  13. Asp

    Asp Oregon, the promise land. Active Member

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    OFF is political because they support the constitution AS IS?! Is this madness!!?!
     
  14. Partsproduction

    Partsproduction Tillamook Oregon Active Member

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    I'd like to know that my enemies are offshore and not living in my own country, living well on a system they say they hate.
     
  15. billcoe

    billcoe PDX Platinum Supporter Platinum Supporter

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    The NRA has been a big supporter of Harry Reid (Democrat, Nv) due only to his strong 2nd amendment position. Like many of us, he believes that the citizens right to bear arms, for political reasons, gives the rest of the constitution and the Bill of Rights, teeth.

    I don't see it as an "either" "or". Much like I think the ACLU is important. They differ on their opinion of the 2nd amendment, but still do important work.

    Welcome to the site.
     
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  16. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Look at the flip side of the coin: every time you support someone who is working for gay marriage, or is trying to strengthen labor unions, or believes in human-caused climate change, you are likely to be supporting someone who wants to severely restrict your Second Amendment rights.

    That is the conundrum for liberal gun owners: most of the politicians they support are anti-Second Amendment.

    The NRA cares about only one thing: support for gun rights. They have supported and will continue to support politicians based strictly on their support for gun rights. They have supported pro-gun Democrats over Republicans. It's just that there are more pro-gun Republicans than pro-gun Democrats, so most of their support goes to Republicans.

    By the way, you should enjoy reading Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

    True liberals support 100% of the Bill of Rights, not just 9/10 of it.

    To get yourself out of your dilemma join and support all of the groups that fight for your causes, including the NRA, as well as the ACLU or Sierra Club or whatever other groups you support. They aren't mutually exclusive and their activities extend beyond making campaign contributions.
     
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  17. slowstang11

    slowstang11 Beaverton Member

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    Don't feel bad, there was an entire army of leftists with guns once. They were called Bolsheviks, who murdered millions of Europeans. And during the Spanish Civil War all the extreme leftists were called Republicans. Interesting.

    But really, politics is not a 1 dimensional line. But many fall into the trap of making it so.
     
  18. FatherHolyHoly

    FatherHolyHoly MN Active Member

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    You can join the NRA, but know that like any political organization, they are working for their own best interest... not necessarily yours. They may very well be the reason that the 2nd has not been completely neutered by politicians all these years, yet I refuse to agree with their support of a one party system, strictly on the basis that they are currently pro-gun. Someone in a previous post mentioned that in the past they have supported "the other party". I didn't know that before today. You have to weigh out the good with the bad and make your decision based on that. Perhaps it may be useful to note what the NRA actually stands for.
     
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  19. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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  20. jdub75

    jdub75 PNW Well-Known Member

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    Why join? You can still email your congressmen/women when important pro-gun legislation is pending. You can show up to protests re: 2A issues, etc without throwing your $$ at institutions that may not share your ideals on other important issues.
    I joined for a year & let it lapse for several reasons. I still get all the updates, so I know when to send emails.