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IF you were present and CCW what would you do?

Discussion in 'Education & Training' started by kenno, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. kenno

    kenno eastern WA Active Member

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    Teenagers poured gasoline on boy walking home from school and set him on fire: cops

    Boy's mother says she was told it was a hate crime

    Comments By Meena Hart Duerson / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

    Sunday, March 4, 2012, 7:43 PM

    via KMBC.com

    The boy’s mother Melissa Coon said his attackers told him ‘you deserve it.’

    James Goldsmith/Getty Images/OJO Images

    Two teenagers set a boy on fire on his way home from school, cops said.

    A 13-year-old boy who police say was doused with gasoline and lit on fire last week while walking home from school is recovering from first-degree burns to his face and head.
    The boy was just two blocks from his home in Kansas City Tuesday when two teenagers began to follow him and then attacked him, his mother, Melissa Coon, said.
    Police have described the suspects as black 16-year-olds, while the victim is white.
    "We were told it's a hate crime," Coon told KTLA.
    "They rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door open," Coon told KMBC. "(One of them) poured the gasoline, then flicked the Bic, and said, 'This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.'"
    By lighting the gasoline, the second attacker "produced a large fireball burning the face and hair" of the boy, according to a Kansas City Police Department report obtained by KCTV.
    "It was pretty bad stuff," Detective Stacey Taylor told the TV station, adding that police are concerned the boy may have suffered damage to his eyes and lungs.
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  2. safetyman

    safetyman Clark County, WA Active Member

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    I don't think it would have mattered if I were carrying or not if that happened in front of me. Surely my gun would be the last thing on my mind if I saw someone on fire.
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  3. CatCow

    CatCow Portland, OR Active Member

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    Arson and murder/attempted murder... That's pretty simple. Drop the criminal in his tracks(preferably before he lights the kid), find a fire extinguisher.
  4. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    no way you could have prevented the act without prior knowledge. And if you shot after the fact you would be one of the ones in trouble
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  5. Toxic6

    Toxic6 Higher then a PDX hipster (~10,000 ft higher) Active Member

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    That's pretty freeking bad. IDK what I would have done without being there, but it probably would have been on the news too.
  6. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Shoot at the gas can.......

    I don't think there would have been any way to stop this, even if you were a uniform! What a sad world we live in!!
  7. RedneckRampage

    RedneckRampage Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Sad but true.
  8. Hook686

    Hook686 Northern California Active Member

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    Be a good witness. Use your cell phonhe to get a picture, if possible, and call 911. If this witness stuff leads to the two guys attacking me, well then it is another scenario.
  9. SnackCracker

    SnackCracker Lake oswego, OR Member

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    After seeing them light someone on fire, if they still have the gas can and lighter, I am inclined to believe they are still a threat and will take appropriate action.
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  10. ericb

    ericb Klamath Falls, OR Active Member

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    There's no place in society for people to be setting each other on fire, I would not choose to cell phone video a human being set on fire, I'd intervene and try to stop it from going down. Odds are that those punks would have thought twice about lighting someone on fire if they had a barrel pointed at them.
  11. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    This is a simple scenario.You have a gun and someone is committing murder.

    This should be a rhetorical question.

    As long as you are back far enough to not light the gas off,put bullets through the persons dumping gas on the victim.

    What court is going to convict you of ANYTHING when someone is dumping gas on another person?
    Most people know what happens after gas is dumped on a person and will side on the defender

    If you have the right attorney.
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  12. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    You gotta realize they were a gang and followed him home saying that he had it coming because he was white.. premeditation and a clear running danger..if I saw a gas can or anything that looked like it the hardware would come out and they would run. If not I would have no problem punching their tickets
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  13. KahrHeart

    KahrHeart Cheshire Member

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    It would TOTALLY depend on the dynamics of the situation. Reaction time is crucial. Once the kid is already on fire, the priority is to get him safe.
    If however, you see it BEFORE it happens...between the gas and the lighting, THEN would be an appropriate time to shoot.
    Such a terrible, scary situation:(
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  14. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    And if you had the wrong attorney?
  15. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    This is a rhetorical question;)
  16. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    True but it is unfortunate the rhetoric even needs to be considered in a potential life saving situation.
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  17. shayne

    shayne port townsend Active Member

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    The reason we all carry or part of it at least is to protect ourselves our loved ones and anyone else in a life threatning situation. If i was in this situation i would take aim and hope the threat had a higher power cause he would meet him.
  18. strongtower6114

    strongtower6114 Pierce, Washington Member

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    Before they lit him on fire? Shoot them. After they lit him on fire? Put out fire. Then retrieve baseball bat from trunk...
  19. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Ah, so you know what gas looks like being pored on someone? Or you would have shot them after conducting the act, then full knowing it was an accelerant?

    I would LOVE to know how you can tell gas from water. I would also love to know even more-so how you will explain this to a jury since you just shot two black 16 year olds...

    Unless you were specifically involved in the situation (i.e. you were walking the kid home since he had death threats made against him), could smell the gas and knew their intent THEN I would suggest the gun as an option. Even then I would simply use the firearm to ward away the attackers and not to shoot a couple kids because I saw a lighter and smelled gas.

    Again, not all case of self defense are clear-cut, black and white.

    Would you shoot two guys wrestling around with a knife? Who would you shoot? How close would you get to do it?

    These kids would have had to have been very close to each other to do this. Unless they were spraying gas on him from a squirt gun, I doubt they would have even been clear enough from the victim to even shoot in the first place.
  20. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    You have to remember the rules of deadly force, oppurtunity, capablity, and intent, that is what you have to prove to a DA and a jury. Maybe if you thought what you seen was an act against person (s), you could draw down on them and have them stop or try to stop the act. The correct action would be to preserve life at the time. Call 911, hopefully scare them away or not to ignite.
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