if you have heavily invested in stocks, something to think about

[mjbskwim]

The financial/stock market is a complex, non-linear system. No one can say what will happen with it with 100% certainty (and anyone who claims it is a liar or misguided). Using that logic I could say what the weather will be like on June 12, 2014 because I know what the weather was on June 12, 2010.

The markets are rigged and being propped up by central banks, governments, high-frequency trading, and other criminal enterprises. They are propped up for the purpose of making the average know-nothing confident in the economy and giving investment bankers annual bonuses. They could crash tomorrow or they could go up another 20%. Does it really matter though? There is still high unemployment and 50 million people on food stamps.

The market are probably spiking to give bonuses to those who play the criminals' games. Gotta pay the minions some times.

 

[Grunwald]

And guns, ammo, brass, lead, copper, powder, primers........

SF-

And hookers....on second thought hookers don't keep very well. In just a few years they lose a good percentage of the original value due to the effects of gravity.

 

[Grunwald]

Even though your reasoning is flawed there is a very strong possibility that your prediction will come true.
There is however the possibility that there will not be a crash at all; at least not in a conventional sense. The crash could be completely camouflaged by raging inflation. Let's just say that a year from now the DOW is at 17,000 (up over 20%). No crash and a nice gain, right?
Not if the dollar lost 40% of its value.

I have stayed mostly out of the stock market since the last crash for multitude of reasons, all of which are still valid. Another reason to stay out is the fact that the Obama administration is allowing complete lawlessness in the markets. You could get ripped off and they will not prosecute the crooks.
I've expected a horrible stock market performance under Obama as the stock market is supposed to reflect the economy (actually what the economy is going to be as the stock market is forward looking), and I was convinced that the economy would stink under this administration.
I was right about the economy, what I did not predict was the Fed and its creative solutions like QE and QE2 and Operation Twist and QE Infinity.

I still cannot predict what kind of performance the stock market might manage during the next 4 years, not what value the dollar might have. What I can predict is that a man who has never run anything in his life and espouses statist and collectivist values sitting in the Oval Office will not implement government policies that would be beneficial to the economy. Quite opposite as a matter of fact.

 

[ruger45blackhawk]

SSSSOOO Should I sell all my stock in the company I work for B4 it takes a dump??? I'm SO confused!!!!

 

[Angie]

a statistical hypothesis with a statistical sample size of one is a pretty darn inaccurate statistical hypothesis.

I was thinking the same thing. While I agree I think it is another bubble, I don't think it will drop as much as it did during the '07-'08 years. My theory is based on looking back at the stock market for 70 years.

 

[EZLivin]

I think too many people focus on the broad markets, instead of focusing on specific sectors or individual companies. Or they focus on one country, the US for example, and forget there are companies and markets operating on every continent. "There is always a bull market somewhere" is a true statement. That is why I dislike "the markets are going to crash" statements. "Ok, fine, which market is going to crash? Ok, thank you very much - I'll invest in a different one."

 

[PolishedBrass]

I don't know if it will be quite that soon Burt.

With the Oligarch chanting ... "A Number on Every baby on the planet !" ... "With a lifetime of Debt/Slavery for everyone !"

There still remains a few unconquered souls.

The "Debt Bubble" ... like petri dishes of molds ... must continue to jump the "fungus" to each new area of populace on the entire planet.

I still suspect that prior to depopulation that everyone must be numbered and sorted as to their asset value and long term risk reward for their owners.
The unproductive, non-compliant, debt imbalanced, young, old, sick will become liquidated assets first. (Health care anyone? - Feeling cultured yet?)

I want to get one of those "GO AHEAD AND JUMP!!" t-shirts in anticipation of the stock brokers who will soon be sailing downward toward the street. Hopefully, those firms have windows that open or office furniture/chairs can be used to break the glass.

If you don't have REAL things, if you believe in paper-based PONZI garbage, you deserve what is coming - the 700 trillion dollar derivatives debt Tsunami. Wiping out everything faster than you can say Goldman Sachs.

 

[PBinWA]

At the moment the markets are completely under control of the Federal Reserve. I suspect there is a plan to manipulate the markets to a Democratic advantage in the next mid-term elections. Probably a mild crash with a "emerging" recovery right before the election.

Of course, gas prices may also drop right before the mid-terms too.

Just a thought.

 

[Hook686]

Raise your hand up and smack it on the table. If it makes a noise the first time then you're 100% certain it will make a noise when you do it again, no?

NO.

Are you are telling us that it has become some universal law, such as the law of gravity, by doing this one time? You might feel very confident, but a group of one does not strike me as a significant test.

 

[chariot13]

NO.

Are you are telling us that it has become some universal law, such as the law of gravity, by doing this one time? You might feel very confident, but a group of one does not strike me as a significant test.

NO.

A group of one normally wont tell you much but when dealing with a finite source such as an economy that has already shown you recently its maximum potential, and it's now where it was when it collapsed, then after we catch up with inflation it'll likely bare the same result. Insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

[Hook686]

SSSSOOO Should I sell all my stock in the company I work for B4 it takes a dump??? I'm SO confused!!!!

It sounds to me like your guess is as good as anybody ele's. So damed if you do, damed if you don't seems to be the lay of the land.

 

[Grunwald]

Chariot, just remember the old saying - the markets can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

 

[chariot13]

Chariot, just remember the old saying - the markets can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

True but it reached maximum irrationalities when reality started injecting itself into that ponzi bubble that we call our market. A market based on made up paper currency has an actual worth of zero. Your time & labor has value, your belief that, that made up paper currency is worth your time & labor, is priceless.

 

[Burt Gummer]

If you want to feed the machine that is destroying what is left of America, by all means, add to the wealth of the casino. The Fed and Wall St are the two cancerous leeches sucking away what is left of your further. You children's future is already destroyed. They will be debt slaves like no people before them.

If you want to do the opposite, stay out of the Ponzi/money printing schemes and reject the banksters' takeover of ... your future. If you have all the real things you need, I recommend buying silver now at <$30. At some point in the next few years you will be VERY happy you did. While your friends' stocks and paper are turning to dust and your silver is becoming priceless, come back and say 'thanks Gummer, you were right.' I won't hold my breath though.

People just can't get past the herd mentality, but in this case, following the herd is death.

 

[Hook686]

Silver has no more intrinisic vale than paper money, or stock certificates. After all you cannot eat it, or smoke, and it only has the value I place on it.

 

[Grunwald]

Silver has no more intrinisic vale than paper money, or stock certificates. After all you cannot eat it, or smoke, and it only has the value I place on it.

Not true. Silver has real value and always will because it has real industrial uses.
You cannot eat or smoke a pile of bricks either but they also will always have value.

I was in the same frame of mind about precious metals a few years ago, as you are. In the end I decided that ignoring thousands of years of history was unwise.

 

[Hook686]

You miss it. Only I place the value on anything I see. You place your value on things you see. There is not God placed value on 'Things'. Perhaps this concept is a little heavy for all on this board.

 

[MountainBear]

The only stocks I am invested in are the ones attached to my guns. I pulled what little money I had in the market out before the last crash. I got lucky. I needed the money to pay for schooling. It had made good profit, and since I pulled it out to pay for school, I was able to avoid heavy taxes. Since then, I have avoided the market like the plague. I have invested instead in myself (education), guns and ammo, and a little amount of silver...

 

[Bob D]

Not true. Silver has real value and always will because it has real industrial uses.
You cannot eat or smoke a pile of bricks either but they also will always have value.

I was in the same frame of mind about precious metals a few years ago, as you are. In the end I decided that ignoring thousands of years of history was unwise.

No population ever rioted because they didn't have enough precious metals. If your family is starving, you'll gladly give up all your silver and gold for a single #10 can of dehydrated beans and rice.

 

[Burt Gummer]

Silver has no more intrinisic vale than paper money

This is an ignorant statement sir. You do not understand what the term 'intrinsic value' means. The value you place on it is meaningless.

You need to research what fiat/paper currency/digits are; money/debt created from nothing.

Silver does have intrinsic value because it takes labor and materials to obtain it. It is used in many manufacturing processes. Every computer requires silver for instance. Please study up a bit before making a statement like that; for you own good that you understand.

The ONLY reasons you can purchase silver coins at $30/each right now is 1) this type of ignorance, 2) the JP Morgan silver paper/certificate ponzi scheme that will implode upon the derivatives collapse.