If you could ask Dems a question

[Just Jim]

The foundation of man is built on his security. Any party who wants to take that security away certainly can't be trusted with any other rights. If people have no comprehension of this it's because someone else has allways fought for their security and they didn't have to.

Democrats are about power over us and their security in doing what ever they want so yes they want our guns to secure their power. Once they have power over us there is no aspect of your life that they won't use that power. Be it healthcare or global warming or fossil fuels or even the amount of food you eat, let them take away your guns and your life is theirs to do with as they will.

 

[boogerhook]

My question would be: Are you willing to give up campaign funding from special interest, so that our votes matter?

 

[etrain16]

Already there man. I email my representatives about firearm legislation every couple of months (I.e. The steel core 556 ban and 941, etc.). I've ran into the typical generic bull bubblegum response that essentially reads "I don't care what you think. Have a nice day."


The problem I've personally ran into is not having a representative that represents policies that I support along with following constitutional rights including firearm ownership. For this reason I vote republican and democrat. I am not a republican nor a democrat. I do sometimes support democrats though.


political parties tend to dehumanize and insult each other and I'm aware of this. The statement I'm trying to makes is the following:


"Support the firearm community and do not alienate segments of the community"


I'm making this post so there can be a discussion going here instead of me reporting most of the comments and the thread as being "political". For that reason the post ought to be deleted.


If we want to make a statement, as this thread is about, let's address it to anti firearm politicians instead of democrats.

I try, as best as I can, to separate politicians from people. People tend to be more genuine than politicians. Politicians, by and large, cannot be trusted, regardless of party.

I have tried my best to keep terms like 'liberal' and 'Democrat' out of my discussions with or about individuals. But I don't hold back when I'm referring to self-identified anti-gun politicians that use those monikers. I do know some Democrats/liberals that strongly support gun rights, and I appreciate that. But it makes me scratch my head when some of them will continue to vote for the very people that are actively attacking their rights.

And my dislike for individuals that knowingly continue to support politicians that are actively stealing our rights is the same whether that individual is on the left or the right. Anyone who empowers these people to continue to do what they do is only making this country worse for the wear.

But again, on the issue of gun control, the Democrats have picked up that flag. They deserve the blow-back and the vitriol. As for individuals that continue to support those very same politicians, I guess they get to catch some flak too - since they can plainly see what they are doing. And expecting everyone to separate you from the party you may support is probably asking too much from some folks.

I posted a few times a while back on a liberal gun site. I identified myself as a conservative Libertarian, pro-gun. Some welcomed me, some were less than kind and proceeded to tell me all the evils that Bush was responsible for, back to the beginning of time.

I get that you don't like the negativity, really not many people do. But it's politics. It's dirty, messy and just plain irritating. Get into a hotbed issue like guns, and it's going to be no different. I for one will continue to keep personal attacks to a minimum, if at all. Anti-gun politicians however, get both barrels, with multiple reloads. You may want to stand back a bit to avoid the political splatter

 

[rick benjamin]

Along the way, I quit asking.
Repetitive question, always the same
"Are you nuts?! What on earth posessed you to do that!?"
like
You tried to clear the garbage disposal with your bare hand? With the switch on?!
"Are you nuts!?...

 

[Caveman Jim]

Here's my question:
Why do Democrats always target law abiding gun owners when it is criminals and the mental ill people in this world that do these despicable acts?

 

[Member 34319]

Questioning them won't work.

If I was issued the opportunity to ask them a question and they had to tell the truth or be shot.

Then I'd ask my question.

 

[Dave Workman]

How is this thread allowed on this website? NWFA is meant as a place to gather people from all walks of life, including all political parties, to better create a welcoming community of pro firearms talk.

I find it disturbing that a thread I created awhile back about sustainable living was deleted for political reasons yet democrats and liberals are bashed all over this site.

Some of us here are democrats and liberals and still are pro gun. Why constantly try to target all people of one party as anti gun. We're not all anti gun!

Believe it or not but some of us "socialists" carry 24/7 and are very pro constitutional rights. Discussions like this only creates a further dividing line between populations within the US. Why would a liberal democrat want to support gun rights when they're isolated from the pro gun community?

As others have pointed out, you seem to back the very people — or at least their ideas — yu;who are laboring to erase your rights.
The difference in threads is that yours was about "sustainable living." This one cuts right to the heart and bone of the gun rights v. gun control issue.

This is something many people here find it impossible to comprehend. How can anybody who claims to be pro-gun rights vote for or support candidates who consistently and constantly work to crush those rights?

 

[Caveman Jim]

How is this thread allowed on this website? NWFA is meant as a place to gather people from all walks of life, including all political parties, to better create a welcoming community of pro firearms talk.

I find it disturbing that a thread I created awhile back about sustainable living was deleted for political reasons yet democrats and liberals are bashed all over this site.

Some of us here are democrats and liberals and still are pro gun. Why constantly try to target all people of one party as anti gun. We're not all anti gun!

Believe it or not but some of us "socialists" carry 24/7 and are very pro constitutional rights. Discussions like this only creates a further dividing line between populations within the US. Why would a liberal democrat want to support gun rights when they're isolated from the pro gun community?

Maybe because liberal politicians are OUR ENEMY and you continue to vote for them......

 

[Oathkeeper1775]

As others have pointed out, you seem to back the very people — or at least their ideas — yu;who are laboring to erase your rights.
The difference in threads is that yours was about "sustainable living." This one cuts right to the heart and bone of the gun rights v. gun control issue.

This is something many people here find it impossible to comprehend. How can anybody who claims to be pro-gun rights vote for or support candidates who consistently and constantly work to crush those rights?

Exactly, where's that "shoot yourself in the foot" emoticon when you need it....

People, groups, institutions, or politburos....who seek to restrain, curtail, or eliminate my ability to defend myself as I see fit, are a surrogate for a mortal enemy.

While certain rules should be universal and respecting that freedom of speech for all is important; a litteray-offense (insults) inflicted onto a mortal enemy (and its surrogates) is fair game as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Just Jim]

Maybe they just need to live in another country with no constitution to protect their rights. After all, they have no respect for the constitution so they may as well live with like minded people some where else.

It amazes me that rights guaranteed over 200 years and the democrats believe they can throw them out.

 

[Raidingtime]

Maybe they just need to live in another country with no constitution to protect their rights. After all, they have no respect for the constitution so they may as well live with like minded people some where else.

It amazes me that rights guaranteed over 200 years and the democrats believe they can throw them out.

Many Democrats are veterans, pro constitutional, and US citizens. Talk to a disabled veteran whom identifies as a democrat. Talk to a daily conceal carry individual whom identifies as a democrat. There are plenty of good democrats within our country that respect our culture and constitution.

Yes the vast majority of Democrat politicians are crap. However, many democrat non politicians are pro constitutional and human rights. There are other policies that are worth supporting or denying besides firearm rights.

I am not a registered Democrat. I'm simply trying to keep things open here for all people regardless of political party. We have to work hard to keep as many US citizens pro rights as possible. Interesting statement huh?

 

[Just Jim]

Many Democrats are veterans, pro constitutional, and US citizens. Talk to a disabled veteran whom identifies as a democrat. Talk to a daily conceal carry individual whom identifies as a democrat. There are plenty of good democrats within our country that respect our culture and constitution.

Yes the vast majority of Democrat politicians are crap. However, many democrat non politicians are pro constitutional and human rights. There are other policies that are worth supporting or denying besides firearm rights.

I am not a registered Democrat. I'm simply trying to keep things open here for all people regardless of political party. We have to work hard to keep as many US citizens pro rights as possible. Interesting statement huh?

What right is more important than the right of self defense?

 

[Oathkeeper1775]

Many Democrats are veterans, pro constitutional, and US citizens. Talk to a disabled veteran whom identifies as a democrat. Talk to a daily conceal carry individual whom identifies as a democrat. There are plenty of good democrats within our country that respect our culture and constitution.

Yes the vast majority of Democrat politicians are crap. However, many democrat non politicians are pro constitutional and human rights. There are other policies that are worth supporting or denying besides firearm rights.

I am not a registered Democrat. I'm simply trying to keep things open here for all people regardless of political party. We have to work hard to keep as many US citizens pro rights as possible. Interesting statement huh?

10-4 on stating your position (if you can see my posts...)

When it comes to defending individual liberty, nobody...I mean no-fing-body.....is beyond reproach. All enemies, foreign and domestic.

 

[dietrich]

I would ask:

"In regards to gun control measures, what would be unacceptable? ie. what would be going too far?"

 

[freestoneangler]

How is this thread allowed on this website? NWFA is meant as a place to gather people from all walks of life, including all political parties, to better create a welcoming community of pro firearms talk.

I find it disturbing that a thread I created awhile back about sustainable living was deleted for political reasons yet democrats and liberals are bashed all over this site.

Some of us here are democrats and liberals and still are pro gun. Why constantly try to target all people of one party as anti gun. We're not all anti gun!

Believe it or not but some of us "socialists" carry 24/7 and are very pro constitutional rights. Discussions like this only creates a further dividing line between populations within the US. Why would a liberal democrat want to support gun rights when they're isolated from the pro gun community?

Why then do so many of the house and senate democrats hold the party line on gun legislation initiatives? If I saw them staunchly defending 2AR's on the state and federal house floors, telling their colleagues to keep their damn hands off, I'd have no argument with you... but that's not the case.

 

[Raidingtime]

10-4 on stating your position (if you can see my posts...)

When it comes to defending individual liberty, nobody...I mean no-fing-body.....is beyond reproach. All enemies, foreign and domestic.

Agreed. Let's continue bringing the discussion to everyone and not alienate portions of the community that may differ in moralities.

Let's keep Hilary out of office

 

[Heywood]

......you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?

 

[gaijinsamurai]

In all honesty, I wouldn't even bother. Hillary would side-step any meaningful question, and the others would just give the predictable, canned responses. Webb is the only one of the group fit to lead this country, and he does not seem to stand a chance.

 

[Heywood]

How is this thread allowed on this website? NWFA is meant as a place to gather people from all walks of life, including all political parties, to better create a welcoming community of pro firearms talk.

I find it disturbing that a thread I created awhile back about sustainable living was deleted for political reasons yet democrats and liberals are bashed all over this site.

Some of us here are democrats and liberals and still are pro gun. Why constantly try to target all people of one party as anti gun. We're not all anti gun!

Believe it or not but some of us "socialists" carry 24/7 and are very pro constitutional rights. Discussions like this only creates a further dividing line between populations within the US. Why would a liberal democrat want to support gun rights when they're isolated from the pro gun community?

Are you kidding? The biggest problem I have with the left is they are contextually retarded. (Really not trying to be confrontational or even funny)
The fact that you are upset about the prospect of which question to ask a democrat in the context of gun control on a pro gun forum proves this.
The whole issue of gun control is pushed forward by the democrat party. And their biggest asset in any debate or speech or piece of legislation is the lack of context and the inability of the sheeple to grasp it.

 

[boogerhook]

Here's my question:
Why do Democrats always target law abiding gun owners when it is criminals and the mental ill people in this world that do these despicable acts?

Well Webb's answers on the topic were spot on, actually.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...nn/video/playlists/2016-presidential-debates/