I for one, welcome the Pink Pistols!

[Xaevian]

Hey, if 9mm and .45 can coexist, along with .308 and 5.56mm, we all could too. Metric, inches...there are lots of ways to try to measure a person's character. But it's still the differences that make it interesting.

 

[Diamondback]

Didja ever notice that for any given [Identity], the Gun Community is generally more welcoming to [Identity] people than the [Identity] community is to gun people?

With exceptions,of course... but if you play your cards right you can also make those exceptions useful as a steady source of free lunch.

 

[Silver Hand]

Heck, I honestly preffer the any sex bathrooms - they almost never have a line of people waiting.

I have found the door reading Vacant and with someone behind the stall several times. I can get intimidating Quickly looking into the eyes of a pervert.
There is a difference.
Silver Hand

 

[etrain16]

Exactly. I can disapprove of a persons actions without hating the person. Just because I dislike Opera doesn't mean I hate "The Three Tenors". Something that offends my sensibilities doesn't equate to violence against me. Disagreements between people are ok, its what you do with them going forward that really matters. For instance back in Colorado I had a buddy who was a straight up Socialist, being more of a Conservative Libertarian myself we HEAVILY disagreed on politics so whenever we went out shooting or had a drink at the bar we agreed to avoid the topic all together. Out of respect for each others right to believe what they wish we found a way to coexist and still be friends. A little respect goes a long way and just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Me not making off color jokes around someone I know will be bothered by them doesn't equate to me being repressed or silenced, its just respectful. Essential components of Liberty are responsibility and respect.
To me these are not very difficult concepts. But to many I have met on the left and in the GLBT community what you have said and what I have said ranks somewhere between "Mein Kampf" and "The Turner Diaries" in hatefulness.

But it seems that the up and coming attitude is that you either embrace and celebrate them or you are automatically a Nazi, no room for discussion. What these people fail to understand is that kind of behavior will do one of two things 1: Drive moderates and conservatives further right and 2: push people so far that they become openly hostile.

As for the bathroom thing when it comes to government or schools I like the idea of having Unisex bathrooms as well as the old style ones, Trans folks can use the Unisex one. I think private business's should be given the final say at what goes on at their place as far as bathrooms but If I had a business you can bet it would be a couple of single person bathrooms.

I actually think a lot of the people trying to cram GLBT stuff down other peoples throats via shaming, putting pressure on their employers or straight up violence to be no better than the actual brown shirts . Ideologues of any stripe can be dangerous.

Shouting someone down or trying to hurt them in any way because they have an objection to something about you is just ridiculous. Personally I'd like to know that I'm not supporting the business of someone who doesn't like something important to me (its the only good thing about those No Guns Allowed signs). But you can only really find these things out if you encourage honesty and respect amongst people.


Anyways thanks for speaking freely, I agree with you whole heartedly

Some more good points. I'll only add to that that I wish more folks on the left and right held similar views of peaceful coexistence, regardless of differences, while respecting the other side enough to avoid stepping on their values or insisting they conform to their own. I think there are more folks that do think that way than we would guess based on how media and social media are in a constant frenzy.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Of course I welcome them.. However.. As long as their voting habits also aline with 2A rights.. Otherwise they are just promoting their own communities suffrage via their "representatives". You can be "for guns" but if you keep voting for people who seek to diminish those rights then there is truly no point. This is a multi-prong approach and lifestyle..

 

[Patriot1668]

I apologize but I'm going to rant ........I am someone who falls into the the GLBT classification .......I'm an American first, and all of that other bubblegum is just details.

I'm late to this thread, but so glad to read this post. Moothulhu, I'm glad you're here. I respect a man whose opinions are logical and well considered. Welcome.

 

[Joe13]

I have found the door reading Vacant and with someone behind the stall several times. I can get intimidating Quickly looking into the eyes of a pervert.
There is a difference.
Silver Hand

That has not been my experience at all, ever.

People in the unisex bathrooms I have been too are generally in there to get what they need done (sometimes that's makeup) and get out.

If someone really wants to covertly watch me pee then I guess whatever - I'm not going to freak out.

Now if there is someone in a stall, there probably isn't enough room for me to sit down anyway so I'd just pick a different stall.

 

[PaulB47]

I have found them to be a far more judgmental group than I have found in the communities they charge as "hateful"

My experience as well. If you want tolerance, look for it on the right (or libertarians and anarchists), not on the left.

Of course the word "tolerance" has almost been ruined, as have so many other useful words:
Let's Be Tolerant, by Paul Bonneau

 

[Xaevian]

I used variations on "tolerance" and "intolerable" on purpose. Words never mean what a speaker intended, but more accurately what a listener interprets. As you can see from the article you attributed, even the older definition means something along the lines of allowing others to have a differing viewpoint. But, if someone applied a newer interpretation, they would feel that I also appreciate and respect them. I am fine with either. Funny how things change from the perspective of the tolerater (what someone means) to that of the tolerated (how it made the recipient feel).

 

[Silver Hand]

That has not been my experience at all, ever.

People in the unisex bathrooms I have been too are generally in there to get what they need done (sometimes that's makeup) and get out.

If someone really wants to covertly watch me pee then I guess whatever - I'm not going to freak out.

Now if there is someone in a stall, there probably isn't enough room for me to sit down anyway so I'd just pick a different stall.

Keep looking, I can now recall three occasions two with lurkers behind the screen at the stool in unisex [single use] and one the third just someone looking at people using the urinal, in the old Eugene Oak Way Mall, having a hole drilled through the screen to the urinal. He actually smiled at me when I opened the door and found him on his knees.

I do not find this acceptable. This is way off topic so lets proceed with what is.
Silver Hand

 

[Joe Link]

Lets try to keep this topic firearm related.

 

[Silver Hand]

Man you are fast

 

[Joe Link]

I just happened to be browsing

 

[SparksFly]

Lets try to keep this topic firearm related.

Party pooper.

 

[Flopsweat]

Party pooper.

It's his party and he'll poop if he wants to.

 

[Diamondback]

[Leslie Gore voice] "You would poop too if it happened to you..."

 

[partsed]

Poop happens.......