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You are a much kinder man than I
My reply would be much simpler, it would probably go something like this
"F OFF"
My reply would be much simpler, it would probably go something like this
"F OFF"
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I appreciate your offer, however - I politely decline.
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I think it is disrespectful to tell me I don't know what I am talking about when I do. How can a realistic offer be considered disrespectful? .
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I said make your offer in a PM (conversation) directly to the one who started the ad and not on the post itself. Clearly you did not comprehend or even read) what I said....
You do know what a conversation here is don't you?
You do know what a conversation here is don't you?
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Yes I do and I understood perfectly what you said. And I guess if I choose not to talk in a PM then that is my choice.
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Because that would be his opinion.
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That is true. Enough said I believe.
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I have gave my bottom dollar price to a couple people here. If I like them and not feeling all snarky I'll give them a take it or leave it price.
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And another obliviot meets Mr. Ignore Button....
We are becoming good friends, I am happy to return to guessing between the lines, when I read comments back to invisible people!!!!!
Ahhh, satisfaction, Or Best Offer?, nope...FIRM.
philip
We are becoming good friends, I am happy to return to guessing between the lines, when I read comments back to invisible people!!!!!
Ahhh, satisfaction, Or Best Offer?, nope...FIRM.
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Just spoke with a dude online that showed me a Craigslist ad he posted...
The gist of the situation was that someone backed out of a deal for a sale without notice, so to get back at him- he posted the guy's phone number with a pic of a chick stating that her husband was out of town for the week and wanted nude photos texted to her.
Funny stuff...
The gist of the situation was that someone backed out of a deal for a sale without notice, so to get back at him- he posted the guy's phone number with a pic of a chick stating that her husband was out of town for the week and wanted nude photos texted to her.
Funny stuff...
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Ouch.....
By the way "Or Best Offer" has got me a lot of great deals, but I am sure not in the way you think. I have scored a lot of really great deals by offering MORE than the asking price. I one time bought a Bridgeport Milling machine for $300, The listing was for $200 or best offer. I also one time bought three large Wilton vises for $300, listing was $250 or best offer. I sold the largest of the three for $800 and kept the other two. I know for a fact in both of those cases I would have not got the deal if I would not have offered more.
If something is super cheap and you know there are going to be lots of folks clamoring to buy it by offering just a bit over the asking price you will make yourself stand out and most likely be the person they contact first.. If someone has priced something for half or less than what you think its actually worth offering just a bit more makes it no less a deal and you have a lot better chance of owning it.
By the way "Or Best Offer" has got me a lot of great deals, but I am sure not in the way you think. I have scored a lot of really great deals by offering MORE than the asking price. I one time bought a Bridgeport Milling machine for $300, The listing was for $200 or best offer. I also one time bought three large Wilton vises for $300, listing was $250 or best offer. I sold the largest of the three for $800 and kept the other two. I know for a fact in both of those cases I would have not got the deal if I would not have offered more.
If something is super cheap and you know there are going to be lots of folks clamoring to buy it by offering just a bit over the asking price you will make yourself stand out and most likely be the person they contact first.. If someone has priced something for half or less than what you think its actually worth offering just a bit more makes it no less a deal and you have a lot better chance of owning it.
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I agree with a lot of this. There was recently a gun for sale here for 2200.00 that I Knew of a grade higher for sale brand new for 1600. I would have loved to tell the potential buyer of the huge savings or even polity let seller know the market has went soft on it and he'd have to information to do with as he pleased from there. I just didn't want to see good folk here overpay by enough to buy another nice firearm. Lots and lots of guns are sold on forums without the buyer posting on the thread.
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I've bought, sold and traded in the last 3 or so years here. All have gone well and both parties walked away happy. Trades seem to be the hardest deals to work out. But that is another topic. I've bought stuff over at the AKFlies as well. And I'm a member at the Marlin Owner's forum. Never bought anything there but lusted over a few guns.
Anyway, guys on gun forums tend to know what guns are worth. Any questions just search complete auctions at Gunbroker.com. Pretty easy. Price your gun right and if it is a popular gun it will sell pretty quick. Not so popular or common guns may take a while to sell. Overprice it and it will set for a while, maybe a long while.
Guys selling guns want to get as much as they can, within reason for the guns they sell. Some guys want to get back close to what they have in the gun or package but that's another topic as well. Guys buying a gun want to get a good deal. So between the two, buyer & seller we work out a deal that both are happy with.
This all works pretty good and most people are happy. But then we have the two groups that don't want to play this way, the lurkers & lowballers. The lurkers hang around the market place and grab all the good deals. Again another topic. The lowballers want to buy for way under market value. We all know we can take ours guns to the local gun store and get 70% of market value.
These two groups are not liked by most regulars on gun forums. The regulars are trying to buy, sell & trade around market value. A lot of guys have bought, sold and traded this way for years and years. They are not interested in selling for 70% or they would take thier gun to the LGS. Can't say why everyone would get offended by a lowball offer but some see it as a waste of thier time. But the fact is guys do get offended by lowball offers.
OP, don't know if you are a lowballer or not. Maybe you just like to haggle. But the internet doesn't work very well for haggling. That's why we have auction sites like eBay & Gunbroker but no haggling sites. And if you think the guys here are not polite about what they may see as a lowball offer try making some low offers on a forum like the AKFiles. I'll leave it at that.
Sorry for any typos, need coffee. And you can sub any word you like for "regulars". I couldn't think of a better word, needing coffee like I do.
Anyway, guys on gun forums tend to know what guns are worth. Any questions just search complete auctions at Gunbroker.com. Pretty easy. Price your gun right and if it is a popular gun it will sell pretty quick. Not so popular or common guns may take a while to sell. Overprice it and it will set for a while, maybe a long while.
Guys selling guns want to get as much as they can, within reason for the guns they sell. Some guys want to get back close to what they have in the gun or package but that's another topic as well. Guys buying a gun want to get a good deal. So between the two, buyer & seller we work out a deal that both are happy with.
This all works pretty good and most people are happy. But then we have the two groups that don't want to play this way, the lurkers & lowballers. The lurkers hang around the market place and grab all the good deals. Again another topic. The lowballers want to buy for way under market value. We all know we can take ours guns to the local gun store and get 70% of market value.
These two groups are not liked by most regulars on gun forums. The regulars are trying to buy, sell & trade around market value. A lot of guys have bought, sold and traded this way for years and years. They are not interested in selling for 70% or they would take thier gun to the LGS. Can't say why everyone would get offended by a lowball offer but some see it as a waste of thier time. But the fact is guys do get offended by lowball offers.
OP, don't know if you are a lowballer or not. Maybe you just like to haggle. But the internet doesn't work very well for haggling. That's why we have auction sites like eBay & Gunbroker but no haggling sites. And if you think the guys here are not polite about what they may see as a lowball offer try making some low offers on a forum like the AKFiles. I'll leave it at that.
Sorry for any typos, need coffee. And you can sub any word you like for "regulars". I couldn't think of a better word, needing coffee like I do.
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That is exactly opposite of what I would think. Somebody who is emotionally involved enough to get upset probably cares a great deal about what ever it is, enough he took it personal when you "insulted" him
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I slept in a Holiday inn express last night.
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Respect in a deal is earned, not handed out.
Sugar catches more flies than vinegar.
It's always nice to start out a conversation without blasting somebody with a balls deep low offer. It sets somebody back on their heels and you will have a hard time convincing them from that point that your offer is valid.
Just recently I had an AR for sale, by payments. Clearly stated that there WOULD be interest and you could pay it off early if you wanted to and avoid the extra interest. Somehow an $1100 gun, at $300/month over 6 months pissed some people off because they didn't think it was worth $1800. They were right, it was an $1100 gun and the interest on me holding it for 6 months without using it was the extra amount.
Reasonable people start conversations with real thought, not knee jerk blown nut testosterone comments of "I'm right, you're wrong, listen to me because I'm right". Best responses are "I'm interested in xyz, curious how you came up with the numbers you have listed, is there something I'm overlooking". That's polite, and if they go HULK on you then they don't want your $$.
Simple really. FTF etiquette should extend to the online realm, when it doesn't you are an arsehole (probably in real life and on the net).
Sugar catches more flies than vinegar.
It's always nice to start out a conversation without blasting somebody with a balls deep low offer. It sets somebody back on their heels and you will have a hard time convincing them from that point that your offer is valid.
Just recently I had an AR for sale, by payments. Clearly stated that there WOULD be interest and you could pay it off early if you wanted to and avoid the extra interest. Somehow an $1100 gun, at $300/month over 6 months pissed some people off because they didn't think it was worth $1800. They were right, it was an $1100 gun and the interest on me holding it for 6 months without using it was the extra amount.
Reasonable people start conversations with real thought, not knee jerk blown nut testosterone comments of "I'm right, you're wrong, listen to me because I'm right". Best responses are "I'm interested in xyz, curious how you came up with the numbers you have listed, is there something I'm overlooking". That's polite, and if they go HULK on you then they don't want your $$.
Simple really. FTF etiquette should extend to the online realm, when it doesn't you are an arsehole (probably in real life and on the net).
As long as you do it via the private messaging system here. I believe one could receive a "thread crapping warning" from the forum mod if a comment were to move much further than "Wow, your brick of .22 for $75 is an amazing deal..I wish I had $75 right now...GLWS!"
I wish I had your restraint...I got spanked the other day when a 12post gouger started in on someone asking a question. LOL
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Having conducted countless CL deals, I do some research and ask what I think is a fair price for an item. Sometimes firm means firm. I also consider ahead of time how much I'd end up pocketing if I ultimately accepted 10-15% less depending on a number of factors:
- What are other sellers asking/getting for the same/similar items?
- How many offers have I received?
- Have I tried to sell it before with no luck?
- Do I like or dislike the individual?
Instantaneous dislike is for rude people and unresponsive flakes. Or when I'm selling (for instance) a kayak at a fair price of $350 and I get a blind response like "I giv u 100 take it r leve it." I've seen that tactic so many times with vehicles, boats, instruments and weapons that I'm amazed when it doesn't happen! Often it's the same @ssjacket over and over again. I indulge myself an instantaneous flash of irritation, and then it's over. I ignore them and move on.
- What are other sellers asking/getting for the same/similar items?
- How many offers have I received?
- Have I tried to sell it before with no luck?
- Do I like or dislike the individual?
Instantaneous dislike is for rude people and unresponsive flakes. Or when I'm selling (for instance) a kayak at a fair price of $350 and I get a blind response like "I giv u 100 take it r leve it." I've seen that tactic so many times with vehicles, boats, instruments and weapons that I'm amazed when it doesn't happen! Often it's the same @ssjacket over and over again. I indulge myself an instantaneous flash of irritation, and then it's over. I ignore them and move on.
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