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I am not completly sure Obama is an anti-gun guy

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by jasonabernathy75, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    So I am in no shape or form an Obama supporter, and I am hoping i am right in saying, he talks a big game but does not appear to be taking any action, whick i am really glad. I thought after this past week of CT and here in Oregon, he would be signing an executive order today. But it appears as he is taking a step back and evaluating. I don't think he is as anti-gun as we all believe. He has done less than any other president in recent times, including Bush. So do we have hope, i don't think so, I think i am glad i have all my AR's that I need, but maybe he understands guns don't kill people, Nut jobs kill people.
     
  2. RoneKiln

    RoneKiln Western Washington Active Member

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    I think his restraint has more to do with a lack of political capitol to effectively engage in that conflict. Congress is incredibly polarized over the "fiscal cliff" at the moment. I can't imagine he'll jump feet first into another polarizing conflict until that is resolved.
     
  3. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    that was my thought too, until i read an article about 2 of the big companies that donated to his campaign.
     
  4. jimboshooter

    jimboshooter West Portland, Oregon Active Member

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    What flavor is your kool-aid?
     
  5. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Jay Carney just said he supports another AWB.

    But maybe he feels he doesn't need too just yet, he's got four more years. Maybe wait till his new SCOTUS appointments are in place, then even when it gets challenged it's done for good.

    They don't have to undo the 2A either, they once gave a 2A exemption for full-autos and they can do the same with semi-autos.

    Until those appointments he could work around the SC by doing another high capacity mag ban or ammo tax. Don't let people say he can't do anything, other presidents have.

    Man, you thought the last sales rush was big. Better get those primers and powder now.
     
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  6. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    well jim, no koolaid, but tell me what he has done against us in the past 4 years:
    Just him sitting in the oval office has drove up ammo and gun cost, not because he actually did or signed anything, just the fear. SA XD's in 2007 sold for 329.99, now 100 dollars more, and the XDM is through the roof.
    But I found it intresting that Remington and Winchester/FNH donated to his re-election, and actually less to Romney.
    Is that because they are making money hand over fist with just his existance? Will it benifit his promises to someone not to sign something into gun control? I hope it does, I like my ablity to buy what i want.
     
  7. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    He is a politically smart guy. It would be very hard even now to get any meaningful gun control through the congress as the Democrates don't have a fillibuster proof majority and the Republicans control the house. We need to be ready as there are house elections in 2 years and after those is when we will see anything meaningful. The process may start now, so we all need to be vigilante and watchful. We don't need to be paranoid, inflammatory or in fighting.
     
  8. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    The big thing I think is for us to just stay in the good, keep contacting our Reps. All the guns in the 2 shootings were obtained illegally. I for one almost think its a conspricy to give the anti-gun folks traction, but what is funny is although the media is hyping up the control topic, i have met little people who thinks that is the correct action. Most think mental-reform is the true action, and that is the correct action.
     
  9. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    When asked at Monday's press briefing about the gun lobby's influence on potential action, White House spokesman Jay Carney responded, without specifically mentioning that lobby, "I think we all recognize that this is a complex problem and there are obstacles to taking action coming from a variety of places. What the president hopes is that everyone steps back and looks at the situation that has to be addressed and thinks broadly and thoughtfully about how we can move forward."
    So I am thinking we have bought some time
     
  10. jimboshooter

    jimboshooter West Portland, Oregon Active Member

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    Don't mistake his inaction as an indication that he is an anti-gun guy. Gun control advocates learned a while back that there are a lot of single issue voters who favor gun ownership. He did not want to loose any socialist steam in the first term.
     
  11. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    I think he is scared to do so, i believe a couple things, I believe he has been the cash cow for the arms dealers, I also believe he is completly lobbiest controlled. I believe he is just what everyone wanted, someone that will do nothing. He has ridin out every storm by doing nothing but being a politian as he is. I quit being scared of him, I am scared of what he is allowing everyone else to do for him. This country is so divided by him alone. Now he is setting up class warefare. Sounds like something the muslim brotherhood would endorse............The next Civil War?
     
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    mortar maggot western wa Active Member

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    Just because he is not pushing hard for gun control right now does not mean he is not for more gun control.

    He is and has very politically savvy aides he will wait for the right moment, come out and say I have thought this over for a few weeks/months and this I what I want and he will twist a lot of arms to get it.
     
  13. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Why does it even matter if Obama is anti or not at this point ? It's an election time concern, and he is not running for re-election :)
     
  14. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    Obama is a "control" freak....gun control is only one of his things...control of the House and the Supreme Court is even higher on his list.

    And he knows what happened to Clinton and His AWB...Clinton had control of the House, but lost it because of the AWB.
     
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  15. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    He is also a Muslim.
     
  16. Coffindodger

    Coffindodger Seattle Member

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    It's not just the money he and his cronies are putting into their offshore accounts. Every politician is guilty of that charge. Are you familiar with the 4th, 5th, and 8th Amendments? The language of his last NDAA ( Title XI, Title XXV specifically ) were the biggest attacks on our rights. The media didn't address this, therefore very few were up in arms about it. It also nullified the Smith Mundt Act of 1948 which disallowed the use of propaganda/psy ops against the American public. Do you need more about what this man has done to take away our rights?

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf

    The erosion of our rights over the last couple of years is the definition of tyranny. When a ban occurs, of any kind, they will be able to use the modified Bill of Rights against us. Instead of the Constitution protecting us and giving us legal recourse against the government, it will be used to imprison us.

    Read the NDAA, follow up with non mainstream news sources. There are non-crazy sources out there. The information is out there, YOU have to read it, sift through the bullbubblegum, then verify it with government documents ( more are published every month, they are just ignored ), and decide for yourself whether or not you feel more secure without your Bill of Rights.
     
  17. Bernoulli

    Bernoulli Guest

    Suppose he had actually done something. Does your antipathy have to stretch that far to get a reason. Get a grip.
     
  18. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    You do realize that NDAA was discussed and analyzed here ? Also correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the original bill you're linking, without the amendments.
     
  19. Bernoulli

    Bernoulli Guest

    Are you talking about George Bush or Obama?
     
  20. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    What's the difference? They just like brothas from different mothas
     
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