I 594 lie busted

timac · Oct 23, 2014

Well what we already knew has been proven in the media. You can't buy a gun on line without a background check. I 594 claims you can though.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/convict-buys-gun-online-lands-behind-bars-getting-/nhnq9/

Convict buys gun online, lands behind bars before getting finger on trigger

Thirty-nine year old Michael Ahmed Hicks has been charged in King County Superior Court with Unlawful Possession of a Firearm after he bought a semi-automatic pistol online.
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SEATTLE —

Thirty-nine year old Michael Ahmed Hicks has been charged in King County Superior Court with Unlawful Possession of a Firearm after he bought a semi-automatic pistol online.

The Seattle man has been prohibited from possessing a firearm since a 2006 methamphetamine conviction. However, last month, according to court documents, Hicks was able to purchase a .380 ACP pistol from www.GrabAGun.com in Texas.

Hicks charged the $99, plus shipping and handling fees, to his credit card, and the weapon was sent to Palace Loans, a pawn shop and Federal Firearm Licensed business on First Avenue in Seattle.

Court documents reveal that Hicks visited Palace Loans in early September and tried to take possession of the weapon, but didn't have enough money to pay the fees.

Palace Loans kept the pistol.

A month later, Hicks returned, paid the fees and the shop's owner submitted the required paperwork for a background check before the weapon could be transferred to Hicks.

When the Seattle Police Department's Records Unit ran the background check, Hicks' criminal history was revealed.

Hicks' paperwork also included his false claim that he had not been convicted of any felonies, according to documents, which also revealed "a lengthy history of (SPD) contacts and a mental caution" for manic depression and bi-polar disorder."

Last week, Hicks was arrested before he could pose "grave danger to public safety," according to the Seattle Police detective who worked the case.

When Hicks' Seattle home was later searched, detectives found a loaded "pump-action" sawed-off shotgun, multiple switchblades, long swords, cane-swords, crossbows with arrows and flammable devices.

His mother told KIRO 7 Hicks has an interest in martial arts. But Alicia Hicks knew nothing about the sawed-off shotgun. She also said that Hicks has been trying to get his right to own a firearm again reinstated.

With this new criminal charge, that most likely won't happen for a while, if ever.

"The safeguards put into place were followed by all the right people and as a result, a person who shouldn't have a gun didn't get it, and he's now being charged with an additional felony for trying to do so," Seattle Police spokesman Detective Drew Fowler said on Monday.

waltermitty · Oct 23, 2014

but we know that you can arrange for a firearm sale online and meet under private sale arrangement, right? though the I594 pandering may stretch the truth, it's also not a total fabrication.

The Heretic · Oct 23, 2014

waltermitty said:
but we know that you can arrange for a firearm sale online and meet under private sale arrangement, right? though the I594 pandering may stretch the truth, it's also not a total fabrication.

You can do the same thing through the snail mail, or via telephone, or morse code, or smoke signals.

What you can't do with any of those is order the firearm and have it shipped to your house as if you had bought it "online" from Amazon - and that is what the I594 advocates are asserting, while leaving out the actual reality of the fact that buying a firearm "online" is no different than buying it face to face with regards to the law - you still have to have a BGC and go through an FFL if the firearm comes in from out of state, you still can't have it shipped directly to you, and so on. There is no "loophole" or special circumstances - the legal context is the same as if there were no internet at all.

Browning55 · Oct 23, 2014

They love to say "594 is all about background checks." If that was true you simply restrict sales to people that can prove they've undergone a background check - as evidenced by a CPL for example. But when you identify specific people to specific firearms along with recordkeeping that's outright registration. 594's billionaire financiers and blind supporters seem to be counting on planting so many false and deceptive ideas in the public mind they will be virtually impossible to counteract.

Capn Jack · Oct 23, 2014

Browning55... Isn't that the way of the liberal?

timac · Oct 24, 2014

The Heretic said:
You can do the same thing through the snail mail, or via telephone, or morse code, or smoke signals.

What you can't do with any of those is order the firearm and have it shipped to your house as if you had bought it "online" from Amazon - and that is what the I594 advocates are asserting, while leaving out the actual reality of the fact that buying a firearm "online" is no different than buying it face to face with regards to the law - you still have to have a BGC and go through an FFL if the firearm comes in from out of state, you still can't have it shipped directly to you, and so on. There is no "loophole" or special circumstances - the legal context is the same as if there were no internet at all.

That is exactly what I 594 proponents claim, and Michael Ahmed Hicks believed the lie.