Washington I-1639....

[TKO]

I just finished reading the Filed Law Suit, it is a long read, but they are going after every part of I-1639 and not in the W Supreme Court either, in the 9th Circuit court which just got some new Conservative Judges that's to POTUS.

Correct me if this has been addressed before. I read the filing and the excellent blog. The ramifications is in the voter pamphlet which no one reads.
More than one person has mentioned Heller and taxes being an infringement.
To further the point of unreasonable infringement, nobody has mentioned the burden of taxes, firearms training, and extra fees for BGC for folks with limited income under the threat of violence. It is a unreasonable burden for a single mother (with little income) and children threatened by a current or ex-spouse. That single mother trying to pay rent and put food on the table for her children barely making ends meet. She could barely afford the lowest grade pistol and ammunition. Now the State is denying her a means of self defense due to poverty. Am I wrong?
Politicians get elected because they talk a good game but have
a different agenda once elected. In addition they make a good salary whether they show up to work or not.
So the poor suffer more because they have NOT walked in their shoes.
Kamala Harris. Refuses to speak with the President. I thought " when they go low you go high"? What a piece of work.
Sorry for the rant. I've seen this before in California with Feinstein, Boxer, Harmon, et.al. Washington State is traveling that
same road.
Buy 80% receivers or stripped receivers of any fire arm you'd
want in the future if you can't afford the "semi" now before prices skyrocket. That includes pistols, i.e 1911 frames. Buy hi-cap mags or mag tubes. You can get parts for them later. Buy any "menacing" feature part I.e bayonet lug, pistol grip, collapsible stock, etc. Something as innoxious as a "25 round" 10/22 mag will be banned in the future.
Ammo. You know they'll get to the "green tips" eventually.
I maybe getting ahead of myself on this issue. And I don't mean to the "town crier".
The mid-term elections are a foreboding look into the future
For the next party in the White House. I hope not. But I like to be prepared. I am not going through the California bubblegum again.
I am not going through the ammo shortage again. The California Feinstein clamp down was shocking. I was warned by my range members to stock up on "evil" items. I didn't listen. Had to pay a pretty penny for neutered "evil" items. So shame on me.
Had to wait 20 years for the AWB bill sunset. Although California kept the AWB intact albeit neutered.

Sorry this topic really riles me. I don't want the same thing
happening to this beautiful state. Unfortunately too many liberals are moving to Washington State with their socialist views.

I hope my insights from the past will help NWFA members
In the future.

 

[GWS]

Too much despair in your post, TKO
I'm a California expat as well. Down there we read the laws such as SB-23 carefully and found the loopholes, first with mag-locks, then with bullet buttons and now "featureless". At first we had to build our AR's ourselves but manufacturers eventually got on board and made California Compliant AR 15 style rifles that are still being sold there. For 4 years we had the "Single-Shot exemption" that got us around the pistol roster. My point is that where there is a will there is a way and gun ownership survives and thrives down there and it will here as well.
There are holes in I-1639 that will keep us going long enough to get (hopefully) favorable decisions on the lawsuits already filed.
Ammo is cheap right now so stock up.
AR rifles are abundant and inexpensive lowers can be found anywhere and 80% lowers are mail order or cash and carry
No one is talking about banning/ restricting reloading so now is a good time to learn how to do it and acquire the gear you'll need.

In the meantime, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

 

[TKO]

Too much despair in your post, TKO
I'm a California expat as well. Down there we read the laws such as SB-23 carefully and found the loopholes, first with mag-locks, then with bullet buttons and now "featureless". At first we had to build our AR's ourselves but manufacturers eventually got on board and made California Compliant AR 15 style rifles that are still being sold there. For 4 years we had the "Single-Shot exemption" that got us around the pistol roster. My point is that where there is a will there is a way and gun ownership survives and thrives down there and it will here as well.
There are holes in I-1639 that will keep us going long enough to get (hopefully) favorable decisions on the lawsuits already filed.
Ammo is cheap right now so stock up.
AR rifles are abundant and inexpensive lowers can be found anywhere and 80% lowers are mail order or cash and carry
No one is talking about banning/ restricting reloading so now is a good time to learn how to do it and acquire the gear you'll need.

In the meantime, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Sorry GWS......If came across doom and gloom. I contributed
A lot of money to NRA, GOA, which I didn't say, called state representatives, no avail. Now they have Gavin Newsome as the
incoming governor. Do you see a silver lining in Cali?
But quietly, I know quite a few moderate dem's who voted
converative.
I've got a dog in fight. Still own property in down there.
Again, sorry if I came across as "Debbie Downer". I'll stop
Pontificating.
Thx for pointing it out,
TKO

 

[Geardo]

Sorry GWS......If came across doom and gloom. I contributed
A lot of money to NRA, GOA, which I didn't say, called state representatives, no avail. Now they have Gavin Newsome as the
incoming governor. Do you see a silver lining in Cali?
But quietly, I know quite a few moderate dem's who voted
converative.
I've got a dog in fight. Still own property in down there.
Again, sorry if I came across as "Debbie Downer". I'll stop
Pontificating.
Thx for pointing it out,
TKO

Buying cheap and stacking deep is not doom and gloom. 0 reason to nit be buying lowers, along with magazines and ammo buy the case right now!

 

[GWS]

Sorry GWS......If came across doom and gloom. I contributed
A lot of money to NRA, GOA, which I didn't say, called state representatives, no avail. Now they have Gavin Newsome as the
incoming governor. Do you see a silver lining in Cali?
But quietly, I know quite a few moderate dem's who voted
converative.
I've got a dog in fight. Still own property in down there.
Again, sorry if I came across as "Debbie Downer". I'll stop
Pontificating.
Thx for pointing it out,
TKO

Well it's easy to get down in the dumps because of all the crap that's happening there and here and the hope I'm clinging to is Trump's conservative judge appointments
Yeah, I did all that too including CRPA, GOC CalGuns Foundation too. I was going around trying to get gun owners to sign petitions to repeal Gunmaggeddon and they couldn't be bothered, didn't want to get on a "list" or weren't even registered to vote. Those 3 reasons were why I am convinced gun owners are there own worst enemies. And now they have the antichrist as governor there. All of my family and friends still live in California. I miss them but I don't miss the insane asylum that is California. Hopefully they too will see the light and move out of there.
Be well and have a great Christmas.
George

 

[rdb241]

Well it's easy to get down in the dumps because of all the crap that's happening there and here and the hope I'm clinging to is Trump's conservative judge appointments
Yeah, I did all that too including CRPA, GOC CalGuns Foundation too. I was going around trying to get gun owners to sign petitions to repeal Gunmaggeddon and they couldn't be bothered, didn't want to get on a "list" or weren't even registered to vote. Those 3 reasons were why I am convinced gun owners are there own worst enemies. And now they have the antichrist as governor there. All of my family and friends still live in California. I miss them but I don't miss the insane asylum that is California. Hopefully they too will see the light and move out of there.
Be well and have a great Christmas.
George

That's the problem right there. Californians leaving that god for saken state and then they spread they're stupid azz liberial ideas in other states and you can see what is happening to our country. Colorado is now fighting for they're rights and next on the hit list is Florida. If you Californians don't like Cali. Then quit bringing Cali's ideals to other states. You left for a reason. Don't bring Cali politics with you.

 

[GWS]

That's the problem right there. Californians leaving that god for saken state and then they spread they're stupid azz liberial ideas in other states and you can see what is happening to our country. Colorado is now fighting for they're rights and next on the hit list is Florida. If you Californians don't like Cali. Then quit bringing Cali's ideals to other states. You left for a reason. Don't bring Cali politics with you.

Are you seriously saying I am bringing California BS with me? Use your head.
Blaming Californians for your problems is facile at best. Much easier than deep thinking. Do you have family, friends or acquaintances who are taking welfare? Food stamps? Unemployment insurance? How many of them are from California? How many were born and raised Washington? How many of your gun-owning friends didn't vote?
Everything that's wrong in the Northwest isn't just the fault of Californians. Seattle and Portland were flaky long before the exodus began and those are where the votes are. ANY big city goes liberal eventually because they are magnets for the welfare class and while they contribute little to society, they get to vote and any fool can guess how they will always vote--Liberal and for more money. Word gets out that Seattle and Portland treat the homeless well and guess what that brings-more welfare class which means more voters who will vote Democrat. That's the math. And we have been losing that battle since the percentage of taxpayers vs benefit receivers dropped below 50%. Like the man said--"When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support."
That isn't California, that's nationally. California just has the most obvious symptoms. Schools everywhere, including here in Washington, have been teaching liberal dogma for generations and its taking hold in the younger generations. Sure there are some kids, lots in fact that are growing up with conservative values but the majority of kids are turning left.
The culture malaise here isn't just from California. It's been growing locally for decades.
But hey feel free to blame California. Its much easier than introspection and thought.

 

[rdb241]

No at no time was I blaming you specifically. But what I said has been hapening for several years. Where I hunt. The land owner turned down a 11.5 million dollar offer to buy all of his land equipment and buildings. He told them no because they made a comment about shutting down all the hunting on that land, This was several years ago. Small towns in northern Idaho have been taken over in politics with liberal ideas. Yes in my opinion, Californians have tried to spread there liberal ideals all over the country. Even the state of Texas has a firm grip on the blue side of politics. It is spreading like cancer.

 

[GWS]

No at no time was I blaming you specifically. But what I said has been hapening for several years. Where I hunt. The land owner turned down a 11.5 million dollar offer to buy all of his land equipment and buildings. He told them no because they made a comment about shutting down all the hunting on that land, This was several years ago. Small towns in northern Idaho have been taken over in politics with liberal ideas. Yes in my opinion, Californians have tried to spread there liberal ideals all over the country. Even the state of Texas has a firm grip on the blue side of politics. It is spreading like cancer.

Apologies, I read the "you" and "your" in your post as directed at me.
I understand your anger but I still maintain that this left wing/socialist cancer is spreading regardless of California. Yes there are indeed California libtards who leave California because of it's countless problems and they do immediately vote for the same policies in their new homes. But they aren't the majority of voters meaning there are enough local libtards voting with them to make the Propositions or initiatives pass.
Remember the Frees State New Hampshire, then Free State Wyoming projects? Where conservatives everywhere would move to those states and make them conservative bastions with conservative office-holders at every level of government from hamlet constable to the Congress, Senate and state house. I came to Washington with that kind of spirit. I was one of 38 million in CA but here I am one of 3.5 million. My vote would carry more weight. I went to the anti -1639 meeting at the Hilton and I stuck signs and left flyers everywhere. I donated money and just knew I was making a difference We were going to beat 1639 and I was a part of that effort!
LOL! I got a sharp dose of reality earlier this month about how much voting power the SeaTac area carries. Ah well, lesson learned
So, Free State Washington?
It appears the libtards beat me to it.

 

[wired]

We left California after the Watts riots in '68. Dad was born and raised south central LA . Had enough of it then. Moved back to CA for a few years in the early 80's . Hated it. You can have that place.

 

[Pedro60]

Yah I would never live in metropolitan/suburban Socal. Cali is just like here, there's lot's of good and bad places to live.
Conservatives make up most of the areas outside the major metropolitan/suburb areas. If you don't go into the cities you don't have
to deal with all the libtards. Unfortunately there's lot's of libtards moving up to WA but most are going to the cities/suburbs. that's why I moved out of suburban king county to rural Pierce county.

 

[TKO]

Yah I would never live in metropolitan/suburban Socal. Cali is just like here, there's lot's of good and bad places to live.
Conservatives make up most of the areas outside the major metropolitan/suburb areas. If you don't go into the cities you don't have
to deal with all the libtards. Unfortunately there's lot's of libtards moving up to WA but most are going to the cities/suburbs. that's why I moved out of suburban king county to rural Pierce county.

Pedro60,
IIRC Pierce voted yes on I-1639. What was surprising and
Sad is Clark voted yes as well. Although I'm an expat like others on this topic, I cringe when my California friends and relatives say
they would like to move to the Northwest. Unless I know they are constitutionally friendly, I gently dissuade them.
Our President carried most of Washington State except Pierce and King. IIRC it was enough rural votes in Washington State that gave our President the electoral advantage.
I glad enough people on this forum care enough to share thought,
ideas, et.al. But I do not believe I have to give an inch to infringements of any kind on our constitutional rights. Isn't this what it's all about?

 

[wired]

Pedro60,

Our President carried most of Washington State except Pierce and King. IIRC it was enough rural votes in Washington State that gave our President the electoral advantage.

Thats not how the electoral college works. None of Washingtons electors voted for Trump. Eight voted for Clinton, Three voted for Colin Powell and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle.

 

[TKO]

Thats not how the electoral college works. None of Washingtons electors voted for Trump. Eight voted for Clinton, Three voted for Colin Powell and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle.

This old guy stands corrected. Open mouth insert foot!
Thanks wired.

 

[E4mafia]

To abolish unlawful, unjust, and unconstitutional gun laws in Washington state (I-1639). | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Heres the link you had mentioned.

Repeal the NFA | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

This link was near the bottom of the top link. Its gotten enough signed votes. Wonder if there was an update?

About We the People | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Trying to share in all 1639 threads

 

[wired]

This old guy stands corrected. Open mouth insert foot!
Thanks wired.

That was a total fluke anyway. Almost every state almost always gives 100% of their electoral votes to whoever wins 50%+1 ( or at least the majority ) of the vote. Washingtons electors broke ranks in 2016 and to the credit of a handful of them didnt vote for Clinton even though they were obligated to do it. Colin Powell though?