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I assume this will start a lively discussion and I in no way mean for it to be anything but informative and constructive but I think its a topic worth exploring.
I would assume everyone on this site is against I-594. I have tried to stay up on progress of the initiative, I have donated to the "Yes on I-591" campaign. My personal feeling is that I-594 which has a pretty good chance of passing is some of the worst gun control legislation that has been crafted to seem innocuous. It is promoted in such a way as to seem that its reasonable when in fact it is de facto registration and unconstitutional. The core of the legislation is private individuals must pass a background check to purchase a firearm no matter what the circumstances.
So... No one here thinks this is a good idea. Yet almost everyone on this site and any other online market place requires that a person pass a background check prior to selling them a firearm. (What?) You just about have to have a CPL in order to buy a firearm face to face. I understand that this is a far cry mandating a FFL transfer for a private sale yet we have amongst ourselves created a system where an anonymous ( legal!!) face to face transaction is all but impossible. By mandating that the buyer have a CPL you are in effect saying the buyer must pass a background check prior to being able to purchase a gun.
Why is it "just good sense" and CYOA when its you, but when the state requires it then its the worst idea ever?
I know there is a lot more to I-594 than that. It does not change the fact that I see some hypocrisy or at the very least a double standard. I think the whole "good guy card" is a load. There is nothing about a CPL that guarantees you are a good guy. Its a government ID, that's it. Another form of gun control which seems to be well tolerated or even adored & embraced by most of the gun owning public.
In my view a CPL is simply "people registration" rather than gun registration yet it gives most gun owners some kind of empowerment because there government has granted them a privilege that in my view the government had no right to regulate in the first place.
"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" There is no clause in there that states "but we reserve the right to make it a crime unless you have a little piece of paper that says we allow it and say its ok" Yet somehow a CPL has become something that gun owners are proud of.
I am a little bitter (in case you couldn't tell) that my fellow gun owners have forced my hand at getting a CPL, I don't want one and I am against it in principal yet without it you are basically shut out because your not a member of the supposed "good guy" club.
For the last few weeks every time I have seen a "Must have CPL" in a listing I think, well there is one gun owner who is already on board with background checks. Who doesn't think he has the ability to make up his mind who is a "good guy" on his own but needs the government to tell him.
Ok now keep it civil We are all adults and can have a theoretical discussion without calling each other names. I have accepted this is the way of the world (thus applying for a CPL and subjecting myself to people registration) but I am not happy about it.
I would assume everyone on this site is against I-594. I have tried to stay up on progress of the initiative, I have donated to the "Yes on I-591" campaign. My personal feeling is that I-594 which has a pretty good chance of passing is some of the worst gun control legislation that has been crafted to seem innocuous. It is promoted in such a way as to seem that its reasonable when in fact it is de facto registration and unconstitutional. The core of the legislation is private individuals must pass a background check to purchase a firearm no matter what the circumstances.
So... No one here thinks this is a good idea. Yet almost everyone on this site and any other online market place requires that a person pass a background check prior to selling them a firearm. (What?) You just about have to have a CPL in order to buy a firearm face to face. I understand that this is a far cry mandating a FFL transfer for a private sale yet we have amongst ourselves created a system where an anonymous ( legal!!) face to face transaction is all but impossible. By mandating that the buyer have a CPL you are in effect saying the buyer must pass a background check prior to being able to purchase a gun.
Why is it "just good sense" and CYOA when its you, but when the state requires it then its the worst idea ever?
I know there is a lot more to I-594 than that. It does not change the fact that I see some hypocrisy or at the very least a double standard. I think the whole "good guy card" is a load. There is nothing about a CPL that guarantees you are a good guy. Its a government ID, that's it. Another form of gun control which seems to be well tolerated or even adored & embraced by most of the gun owning public.
In my view a CPL is simply "people registration" rather than gun registration yet it gives most gun owners some kind of empowerment because there government has granted them a privilege that in my view the government had no right to regulate in the first place.
"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" There is no clause in there that states "but we reserve the right to make it a crime unless you have a little piece of paper that says we allow it and say its ok" Yet somehow a CPL has become something that gun owners are proud of.
I am a little bitter (in case you couldn't tell) that my fellow gun owners have forced my hand at getting a CPL, I don't want one and I am against it in principal yet without it you are basically shut out because your not a member of the supposed "good guy" club.
For the last few weeks every time I have seen a "Must have CPL" in a listing I think, well there is one gun owner who is already on board with background checks. Who doesn't think he has the ability to make up his mind who is a "good guy" on his own but needs the government to tell him.
Ok now keep it civil We are all adults and can have a theoretical discussion without calling each other names. I have accepted this is the way of the world (thus applying for a CPL and subjecting myself to people registration) but I am not happy about it.