Hunting cougar during deer in wrong unit

[edslhead]

The boats got to limit out!

 

[koolminx]

thank you

 

[40Garand]

What is "Party Hunting" I am unfamiliar with that phrase.

Let me give you a more colorful example of "Party Hunting" In most cases it's a cliquish group of old farts that put the fattest, slowest sumofuhbiatch on a stump at a choke point. The more agile party members then harass, run, or attempt to herd game towards the shooter. Everybody (tag holders) takes a turn on the gun according to seniority or whoever brought the most alcohol and smoked salmon to camp!

 

[koolminx]

Holy moly I never knew that's what it was called, I guided big game hunts in Utah back in the mid to late 80's for a good family friend and saw many outfitters doing that with their groups, but our groups never played at that game. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[bbbass]

Let me give you a more colorful example of "Party Hunting" In most cases it's a cliquish group of old farts that put the fattest, slowest sumofuhbiatch on a stump at a choke point. The more agile party members then harass, run, or attempt to herd game towards the shooter. Everybody (tag holders) takes a turn on the gun according to seniority or whoever brought the most alcohol and smoked salmon to camp!

Don't forget the ribeyes and cheesecake!!!

 

[gprippers]

In Oregon......NO!

THE ONLY TIME IT WOULD BE A "NO" IS FOR EASTERN OREGON DRAW BUCK TAG AND DURING ALL ELK HUNTING PERIODS.
WESTERN OREGON BUCK BOW OR RIFLE SEASON YOU CAN BE OUT WITH A COUGAR TAG ONLY.

BUT IN THE FAQ'S IT SAYS THAT YOU MAY CARRY ANY FIREARM AT ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR BUT CANNOT HUNT WITHOUT PROPER TAGS FOR THAT AREA ETC. SO YOU CAN WALK AROUND "TARGET" SHOOTING BUT CANNOT HUNT A COUGAR DURING ELK SEASONS UNLESS YOU POSSES AND ELK TAG OR USED ELK TAG. ???

 

[No_Regerts]

Thats why I like the .24 caliber minimum in WA for big game. Carry a .223 or 22-250, which is legal for cougar, and all is good!

 

[gprippers]

In Oregon......NO!

THE ONLY TIME IT WOULD BE A "NO" IS FOR EASTERN OREGON DRAW BUCK TAG AND DURING ALL ELK HUNTING PERIODS.
WESTERN OREGON BUCK BOW OR RIFLE SEASON YOU CAN BE OUT WITH A COUGAR TAG ONLY.

BUT THEY SAY IN THE FAQ'S THAT YOU CAN POSSES A FIREARM AT ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR BUT YOU CANNOT HUNT WITH OUT PROPER TAGS. SO.....YOU CAN WALK AROUND "TARGET SHOOTING" BUT CANT KILL A COUGAR DURING ELK SEASON WITH OUT AN ELK TAG OR USED ELK TAG IN POSSESION. ???

 

[gprippers]

Thats why I like the .24 caliber minimum in WA for big game. Carry a .223 or 22-250, which is legal for cougar, and all is good!

I LIKE THE 24 CALIBER RULE FOR ANY GAME ANIMAL OTHER THEN DEER/ANTELOPE BUT OREGON ALLOWS 22 FOR BEAR, DEER AND ANTELOPE. 24 OR LARGER FOR ELK AND GOAT OR SHEEP. BEAR SHOULD BE IN THE 24 AND LARGER IN MY OPINION AS WELL BUT HEY, ODFW DOES WHAT THEY DO!

 

[No_Regerts]

I LIKE THE 24 CALIBER RULE FOR ANY GAME ANIMAL OTHER THEN DEER/ANTELOPE BUT OREGON ALLOWS 22 FOR BEAR, DEER AND ANTELOPE. 24 OR LARGER FOR ELK AND GOAT OR SHEEP. BEAR SHOULD BE IN THE 24 AND LARGER IN MY OPINION AS WELL BUT HEY, ODFW DOES WHAT THEY DO!

I'd agree with at least 24....and a belted case! I never seen a magnum I didn't like.

 

[gprippers]

HONESTLY, I LIKE A 33 OR BIGGER FOR ELK. SEEN TOO MANY GUYS SITTING IN CAMPS OVER THE YEARS WITH THEIR JAWS IN THE DIRT BUMMED OUT OVER LOSING AN ELK TO A SHOT A BIT TOO FAR BACK OR 7MM MAG ZIPPED THRU IT WITHOUT MUCH EXPANSION OR HELL FOR THAT MATTER...ONE RIGHT IN THE BOILER ROOM! FRIEND CALLED FOR US TO HELP HIM SOME YEARS BACK TO TRACK AN ELK HE SMACKED WITH A 7MM MAG AND DIDNT FIND IT TIL THE SECOND SEASON HUNTERS FOUND IT STINKING ALMOST TWO MILES AWAY! WAS A COLLAR'D RAG HORN SO YES IT WAS SAME ELK. HE HIT IT PRETTY GOOD BUT THAT 160 GRN AT 65 YDS ZIPPED THRU IT WITHOUT TEARING UP MUCH OF A WOUND CHANNEL. CHIT CAN HAPPEN! PUT SOME ENERGY INTO THOSE TOUGH BASTIDS! THEY CAN GO A LONG WAYS ON A "GREAT SHOT!" LOL! BIGGER BULLETS WITH SOME POWDER BEHIND EM!

AND YA YA, BEFORE NINE GUYS CHIMN IN ABOUT KILLIN ELK WITH A 243 ETC....IVE KILLED TWO ELK WITH A 308 WITH IRON SIGHTS AND TWO WITH 270'S AND ONE WITH 06. POINT IS WHEN I GOT A BIT OLDER I WENT UP TO MAGNUMS WITH A BIT MORE POOP AND BULLET WEIGHT. ESPECIALLY IN THE THICK, STEEP WOODS! I JUST LIKE BIGGER BULLETS FOR ELK WITH SOME POOP BEHIND THEM! LOL!

 

[pharmseller]

HONESTLY, I LIKE A 33 OR BIGGER FOR ELK. SEEN TOO MANY GUYS SITTING IN CAMPS OVER THE YEARS WITH THEIR JAWS IN THE DIRT BUMMED OUT OVER LOSING AN ELK TO A SHOT A BIT TOO FAR BACK OR 7MM MAG ZIPPED THRU IT WITHOUT MUCH EXPANSION OR HELL FOR THAT MATTER...ONE RIGHT IN THE BOILER ROOM! FRIEND CALLED FOR US TO HELP HIM SOME YEARS BACK TO TRACK AN ELK HE SMACKED WITH A 7MM MAG AND DIDNT FIND IT TIL THE SECOND SEASON HUNTERS FOUND IT STINKING ALMOST TWO MILES AWAY! WAS A COLLAR'D RAG HORN SO YES IT WAS SAME ELK. HE HIT IT PRETTY GOOD BUT THAT 160 GRN AT 65 YDS ZIPPED THRU IT WITHOUT TEARING UP MUCH OF A WOUND CHANNEL. CHIT CAN HAPPEN! PUT SOME ENERGY INTO THOSE TOUGH BASTIDS! THEY CAN GO A LONG WAYS ON A "GREAT SHOT!" LOL! BIGGER BULLETS WITH SOME POWDER BEHIND EM!

AND YA YA, BEFORE NINE GUYS CHIMN IN ABOUT KILLIN ELK WITH A 243 ETC....IVE KILLED TWO ELK WITH A 308 WITH IRON SIGHTS AND TWO WITH 270'S AND ONE WITH 06. POINT IS WHEN I GOT A BIT OLDER I WENT UP TO MAGNUMS WITH A BIT MORE POOP AND BULLET WEIGHT. ESPECIALLY IN THE THICK, STEEP WOODS! I JUST LIKE BIGGER BULLETS FOR ELK WITH SOME POOP BEHIND THEM! LOL!

My experience has been the opposite. I watched my nephew kill a 5x6 bull with his 7mm-08 and my 150 grain handloads, 409 yards. I killed a 4x4 bull with a single 140 grain Partition, 7mm-08, dead right now. Two years later I killed another bull with the same combo, he went down so fast I thought I'd missed and he ran off.

That's after shooting a bunch with either a .30/06 or a .300 Weatherby Mag. Elk aren't hard to kill if you shoot them through the lungs.

As far as the bull your buddy lost, what kind of bullet did he use? In my experience bullets tend to expand even more violently at close range. I watched my brother kill a cow elk this year, maybe 100 yards, 7mm Rem Mag, 162 eldx, she went maybe 30 feet and tipped over.

In my opinion placement wins over caliber every time, assuming proper bullet construction.




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[gprippers]

WELL OF COURSE BULLET PLACEMENT IS #1 PERIOD THE END FINISHED, BUT THAT WASNT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. TALKING ABOUT PREFERRED CALIBERS. IVE KILLED ELK WITH A FEW DIFFERENT CALIBERS AS WELL AS MY BOW AND SOME FAIRLY LARGE BEAR AS WELL, BUT LARGER BULLETS DOING A MED/HIGH FPS HAVE MORE KINETIC ENERGY/SHOCK WAVE WHICH IS WHAT KILLS INSTANTLY. WHEN YOU SHOOT AN ANIMAL IN THE LUNGS AND IT DROPS DEAD IT SURE ISNT FROM BLEEDING TO DEATH, ITS THE SHOCK WAVE OF THE BULLET STRIKE. GOOD SHOT PLACEMENT IS #1 BUT LIKE I SAID....I, ME , WE HAVE SEEN "GOOD SHOT PLACEMENT" NOT DROP ANIMALS IN THEIR TRACKS FOR WHAT EVER REASON.

YOU LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE AND LIKE I SAID IN MY POST, I PREFER WHAT I PREFER BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND THE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF OTHER SUCCESSFUL HUNTERS THAT I KNOW FIRST HAND. YOU LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE BASED ON WHAT YOU LIKE SO YOU COULD USE A SPEAR IF THATS YOUR THING BUT IM NOT INTERESTED IN A BACK AND FORTH OVER BIG BULLET LITTLE BULLET CUZ IT WILL BE NEVER ENDING! LOL! MY UNCLE BROUGHT HIS 243 TO ELK CAMP EVERY YEAR FROM THE TIME I CAN REMEMBER TIL HE DIED OF OLD AGE AND DID WELL WITH IT.

ITS FACT AND SCIENCE AND MY 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, LARGER BULLETS DOING SOLID FPS HAVE SOLID"KILL" ENERGY/ KINETIC ENERGY MEANING KNOCK DOWN POWER ESPECIALLY AT NORMAL HUNTING RANGES. AT LONGER RANGE THE 300 WM & 7MM ARE SIMILAR IN KINETIC ENERGY, BUT AGAIN...200 YDS AND IN THE 300 HAS MORE KINETIC ENERGY. 300 WM VS 7MM MAG. 7 HAS BETTER COEF AND SECTIONAL DENSITY IN MOST BULLET WEIGHTS BUT 300 CAN SHOOT LARGER GRAIN BULLETS WHICH HAVE HIGHER COEF/SEC DENSITY THEN LIGHTER BULLETS. BOTH ARE GREAT... ITS PREFERENCE! THERE ARE COUNTLESS STORIES TOLD IN FIELD AND STREAM AND OUTDOOR LIFE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP ABOUT SUCCESSFUL ALASKAN HUNTERS WHO SHOT 220 SWIFT FOR MOOSE AND CARIBOU. BECAUSE HE WAS SUCCESSFUL WITH IT DOESNT MEAN IT WAS THE "BEST" CHOICE BUT IT WAS "HIS" CHOICE.

AND YES I OWN 7MM MAGS AND 7MM-08 AND HAVE TAKEN A COUPLE SOLID DEAR AND BEAR WITH THOSE CALIBERS BUT THEY ARE NOT "MY" FAVORITE CALIBER. THE BULLETS THAT HAVE COME OUT IN JUST THE LAST 10 YEARS ALONE HAVE DONE THAT AND ALL CALIBERS A TON OF GOOD! GO BACK 20 YEARS AGO OR 25 YEARS AGO AND THE ELD AND ELDX SUPER DUPER POOPER BULLETS WERE NOT AROUND AND 130 OR 140 GRN BULLET WAS A CLASSIC LOAD FOR 7MM. I USED 160 GRN NOSLERS FOR A FEW YEARS IN MY 7 MAGS AND DID WELL WITH IT.

300 WIN VS 7MM REM MAG...BOTH CALIBERS ARE GREAT CARTRIDGES. 7MM-08 AND 243 AND 6MM ARE GREAT CARTIDGES AS WELL! BIG CALIBER VERSUS SMALLER CALIBERS IS A NEVER ENDING DISCUSSION AS EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS AND PREFERENCES. THATS WHY THEY MAKE SO MANY CALIBERS AND FIREARMS CUZ EVERYBODY LIKES WHAT THEY LIKE. LOL!

 

[RVTECH]

Drop the caps please...

 

[titsonritz]

Drop the caps please...

Read his signature line.

 

[RVTECH]

Read his signature line

Got it - thanks!

 

[pharmseller]

Knockdown power is a myth.

There, I said it.




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[bbbass]

Knockdown power is a myth.

There, I said it.




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What, no .500NitroExpress for squirrel huntin?