Hi all, I'm Stan, I live in Skagit County, WA. I'm an engineer, reasonably well educated, and definitely interested in politics, history, philosophy, and the downward direction I see our country heading. As my intro title implies, I probably have a different perspective on what/who are the causes of that decline than most folks on this forum...(at least from what my lurking collects). I'm not a big gun collector, I only have what I think is/will be adequate for home defense, hunting, and realistic (not zombie end-of-the world) disaster situations. I do enjoy improving my firearm skills, but I actually prefer my archery and hack riding more.:thumbup: I tend to see my firearms more as tools than as a hobby. I've been lurking here for a while, didn't think I had much to contribute. I guess what prompted me to finally post is a push survey I got from the NRA, which has really gotten me P.O.d, and needing to vent to total strangers.aranoid: Of course, the available poll answers are only simplistic yes/no. The first question asks if you think the 2nd amendment is just as important as the other constitutional rights. My first impulse was to say "of course it is". But on reflection, I realized I don't believe that, and the question is really manipulative. In fact, I think the second is only a tool, among other tools, to ensure that the really important individual rights amendments (like the 1st, 4th, 5th) can be defended. As a tool, it cannot be given equal importance to the amendments that might need that tool to be used. Just like I can't assume a box wrench is any more important than a squirt of Loctite to keep a bolt tight on my bike. Either may be appropriate. The important thing is keeping the bolt tight! I wouldn't want to lose that box wrench, I'd fight to keep it (its probably one I inherited it from my Dad), but if worse came to worse, it would never be my only way to get that bolt tight. It seems to me that push polls like this are basically dishonest, and so by extension, organizations that use them exhibit some degree of dishonesty as well. I find it difficult to trust the goals of a group that resorts to such methods. OK, I now feel properly vented. Thanks for listening (a wild assumption here), and I may pop in periodically, especially if I have questions like: How do I get my R92 to be less picky with the .357 JHPs I feed it?