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You're welcome. =)Interesting, I have a few SWC molds, ill keep tgat in mind, thanks!
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You're welcome. =)Interesting, I have a few SWC molds, ill keep tgat in mind, thanks!
Been carrying same for 12 years. So lite, I have to double check I didn't forget it.S&W 342 PD.......at 10.8 oz., about as light weight a revolver as you'll find.
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These little NAA have amazing quality for the price. And I think they are just flat out cool, nice!
Hurrah! Another fan of the Buffalo Bore .38sp full wadcutter hardcast for short barrels. Excellent. BB used to call them "anti-personel," though they dropped that name. They are nothing like ordinary soft wadcutters travelling at low speeds for practice or target shooting. That's what I carry in my EDC, even though its a 686 snubby which is very comfortable to shoot with full .357 mag loads.Hello all!! First post on your wonderful forum.
I frequently carry a Smith and Wesson Model 31 snubbie IWB. Buffalo Bore hardcast wadcutters will fully penetrate five 7/8" fir boards, even with my short barrel. I "upgrade" to a S&W Hand Ejector (pre I frame) with 4" barrel for hiking and such.
I would be worried about where my bullet ended up after it exited my human target! I'm sure your talking about black bears too and not grizzlies.....a 22 will kill a bear no problemHurrah! Another fan of the Buffalo Bore .38sp full wadcutter hardcast for short barrels. Excellent. BB used to call them "anti-personel," though they dropped that name. They are nothing like ordinary soft wadcutters travelling at low speeds for practice or target shooting. That's what I carry in my EDC, even though its a 686 snubby which is very comfortable to shoot with full .357 mag loads.
I switched away from .357mag for SD carry in my EDC after finding out that .357 mag is so loud it has a good chance of damaging your hearing if shot in a confined space such as a house or car. It might even deafen you permently. Its louder than 9mm, .45acp., .45 long colt, .44 sp, a shotgun, or a hunting rifle of ordinary non-mag deer calibers. And that's assuming a longer barrel .357. (It's not louder than a 44 mag.) I have very acute hearing and want to keep it that way. I use the special short barrel loads and the hard cast full wadcutters. Buffalo Bore says this will penetrate straight through 12" of mammalian flesh and bone. That matters to me too because we have bear in my neighborhood. But seem to have few trouble making humans. So for walking in my neighborhood my EDC load needs to be capable of getting through a bear skull. But if I ever had to use my EDC in SD against a human it would likely be a home or
Big problem. Bears sitting still in trees held there by a team of dogs used to be shot by hunters with .22s in Southern US. That is very different than SD against a black bear charging you. A .22 may penetrate a bear skull from the front but apparently often deflects off the skull. Same situation with butchering a hog. Fine if you shoot bear/hog in side of head from an angle where bullet goes straight in. But not if you shoot from the front, where the bullet is likely to be deflected from the bear/hog's heavy sloped skull. The case of the little old lady who killed a charging grizzly bear with a single shot 22 rifle is so famous because that proves its not totally impossible, not because that is the ordinary result for that situation.I would be worried about where my bullet ended up after it exited my human target! I'm sure your talking about black bears too and not grizzlies.....a 22 will kill a bear no problem
I definitely get where your coming from! I don't think I would of been as kinda with a warning shot.....Alaska I carry a 460 or 10mm with hard cast bullets but here in the woods it's just my 9mm with jhp. Seems to do the job on bears and other toothy critters!Big problem. Bears sitting still in trees held there by a team of dogs used to be shot by hunters with .22s in Southern US. That is very different than SD against a black bear charging you. A .22 may penetrate a bear skull from the front but apparently often deflects off the skull. Same situation with butchering a hog. Fine if you shoot bear/hog in side of head from an angle where bullet goes straight in. But not if you shoot from the front, where the bullet is likely to be deflected from the bear/hog's heavy sloped skull. The case of the little old lady who killed a charging grizzly bear with a single shot 22 rifle is so famous because that proves its not totally impossible, not because that is the ordinary result for that situation.
In choosing a SD load you always have the problem that no one load is optimal for all situations. The FBI standard for 18" of penetration in gel means that the bullet usually goes through a human shot from the front. So you have to take that into account anyway. When I lived in town in Corvallis I carried hps. But now I spend probably 95% of my time in my home, yard, or neighborhood which is outside Corvallis but adjacent to McDonald Forest and most houses have several acres of land. And while most of my life I considered bad humans a bigger threat than bears, in this neighborhood its the reverse. I've lived here nearly 30 years and never experienced any obnoxious people. But an obnoxious bear came right into my back yard after my ducks. And he didn't care a bit about being spotlighted or yelled at. Fornately, when I put a shot into the ground next to him he ran.
Most people here would consider 9mm marginal as SD against black bear. Manufacturers mostly dont even make a bear load in 9mm. But you're probably way more likely to run into a problem from a bad human than a bear, even in the woods. So certainly plenty of people do carry 9mm for SD in the woods around here.I definitely get where your coming from! I don't think I would of been as kinda with a warning shot.....Alaska I carry a 460 or 10mm with hard cast bullets but here in the woods it's just my 9mm with jhp. Seems to do the job on bears and other toothy critters!
Glad it worked out for you! I honestly couldn't tell you a number but more than most kill in a lifetimeMost people here would consider 9mm marginal as SD against black bear. Manufacturers mostly dont even make a bear load in 9mm. But you're probably way more likely to run into a problem from a bad human than a bear, even in the woods. So certainly plenty of people do carry 9mm for SD in the woods around here.
"Seems to do the job on bears..." How many bears have you shot with a 9mm? Tell us about it.
Alas, it wasn't bear season and I had no bear tag. Also, I was shooting through my second floor window that overlooked the duck deck. I kept the screen off that window. So I was in no danger from the bear. It was a simple understanding. Bear was probably a youngster looking for a territory. He thought my duck flock was available. It wasnt. But actually, when it came to small predators who wanted a duck dinner off my duck laying flock, my first approach was to try to train them. Put a shot in the ground next to them. About 2/3 of them would leave and never return. Racoons, possums, and skunks mostly. If they were trainable that was good for both of us, as if I killed one the niche opened and another moved in. But it was two strikes and you're out. Just one warning that my duck flock was actively protected. The bear was a surprise. He never came back.
Welcome, @Woods Bum . Your name is my preferred lifestyle, even if I'm unable to participate often.Hello all!! First post on your wonderful forum.
I frequently carry a Smith and Wesson Model 31 snubbie IWB. Buffalo Bore hardcast wadcutters will fully penetrate five 7/8" fir boards, even with my short barrel. I "upgrade" to a S&W Hand Ejector (pre I frame) with 4" barrel for hiking and such.
You've only been charged by a black bear once and shot it with a shotgun. But you've killed more black bears than you can remember with a 9mm with hollow points? Conceivable, but it's a stretch. But then you refuse to brag when given an invitation? When has a hunter or fisherman or woodsman ever refused to brag when explicitly invited? That passes all credulity. And the rest of the bears werent charging you so it wasnt SD. So you've taken multiple black bears hunting them with a 9mm with hps? Hmmmm. One bear would be more than most kill in a lifetime. Maybe the critical word is "honestly." You say "I honestly couldn't tell you a number..." Oh! I get it!Glad it worked out for you! I honestly couldn't tell you a number but more than most kill in a lifetime
Good stuff!Welcome, @Woods Bum . Your name is my preferred lifestyle, even if I'm unable to participate often.
Welcome.Hello all!! First post on your wonderful forum.
I frequently carry a Smith and Wesson Model 31 snubbie IWB. Buffalo Bore hardcast wadcutters will fully penetrate five 7/8" fir boards, even with my short barrel. I "upgrade" to a S&W Hand Ejector (pre I frame) with 4" barrel for hiking and such.