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How Leaving America Changes What People Think About Guns

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by widgeon, Jun 17, 2016.

  1. widgeon

    widgeon vancouver Member

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  2. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    I have to laugh at articles like this. Using Mexico, with 4 times the gun related deaths that the US has, for a model for US gun control? What are these people smoking?

    Anyway, it's not gun deaths that matter, it is violent deaths. If a country has no guns, it does not imply people aren't hacked to death with machetes, as in Africa.

    Here is a map with the rate of violent deaths:
    VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY (http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/)

    Note, Mexico has a violent death rate 5 times that of the US. And unless you routinely deal drugs in the violent US black market (created by government prohibition), your personal exposure is much, much lower.
     
  3. IheartSig

    IheartSig Beaverton Diamond Supporter Diamond Supporter Platinum Supporter

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    I literally laughed out loud when I saw the countries listed in the article that people had "lived in" and now had such a great and epic understanding of what needed to be done to keep us safe from ourselves.

    First and foremost, Sweden? Seriously? What a hardship. 4th in gun ownership world wide too, your argument is invalid.

    Japan?? Japanese people, whole groups of them, take vacations to Hawaii JUST to shoot. There is an entire industry built around foreign shooters there. What did that even teach you?

    My favorite is the dude (ex-pat by the way...you gave up your right to participate in this conversation sparky) who became a contract soldier in Israel, saying how unsafe it is in the states, we shouldn't have guns, only military and its different because to the majority of Israelis that carry guns, its not a hobby its a "grim reality".


    I have lived in 3 countries besides America, and been to around 15-20 others for ranges of days to weeks. every single one had its issues. Some were horrible. I learned a lot about life, a lot about people and I learned a lot about myself.

    One of the things I learned was that good or bad, America is my country. It has its problems, it has a lot of problems. So does every single other place out there. Every one.

    So kick rocks back to your summer internships and ex-pat mercenary work and be about your business.
     
  4. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Sub Light Speed Well-Known Member

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    Israel has had the right ideas all along, arm every one who can hold a rifle, teach them to use it, and when an enemy shows up, you end him, then sound the alarm!
     
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  5. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Hear, hear! I spent a year in Paris, loved the place, but America was my home and I was happy to return.

    I spent time in Israel too. Commonplace to see civilians walking around, standing at bus stops, etc. holding M16's and the like. Using Israel as an argument for gun control? :rolleyes:
     
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    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Ura-Ki Sub Light Speed Well-Known Member

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    I loved France! Even liked the french people, really got down with the awesome wines and cheeses and "home cookin" that never really gets noticed!
     
  8. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Even the gun laws here aren't great. They need to get rid of the NFA, and the 1986 ban on automatics. Then we should take Israel as an example then arm the people who should have guns and train them.
     
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    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    of course Vice is leftist crap. The HBO version is produced by Bill Maher, the liberals liberal.
     
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  10. L84Cabo

    L84Cabo Orcas Island, WA Well-Known Member

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    I've lived in 5 different countries. Been to...some 40 others. I've seen my share of nice places and back woods crap holes. I have spent more than my fare share of time abroad. And it hasn't changed my perspective on guns one freaking bit. Free men own guns. Subjects do not. Don't like America because of guns? Then don't come back!
     
  11. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    My only experience living in areas with strict gun control (outside of the U.S), would be South Korea. I already think gun laws here are too restrictive, no way would I go back there. You might be able to get a rifle, if you jump through a bunch of hoops, but you know what you aren't bringing home with you? The gun. Except for hunting season, IICR.
     
  12. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Amora mustard! :p
     
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  13. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    They always conveniently limit their comparisons to the US to "1st world" countries or "developed" countries. When you look at our closest neighbors we are doing pretty well. In fact, I'd say a large part of our problems come from our neighbors to the south:

    WesternHemisphereGuns.jpg
     
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  14. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    No, that chart plays into "gun banner logic". It's not firearms related deaths that matter - a country with no guns at all could have ruinous amounts of homicide. It's violent deaths that matter.
     
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