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How do you protect yourself in a private sale as the buyer?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by SPU, Apr 12, 2011.

  1. SPU

    SPU Southwest Oregon Old Fart

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    A NOOB question, but important one, I think.

    How do you provide security for yourself in a privately arranged firearm sale? Do you ask for the seller's driver license or concealed permit? Bring somebody along? I just feel a little itchy with the idea of cash on me meeting with a guy (or gal) I don't know that has at least one gun on him/her. Where do you meet? Can't be too public or people might freak yelling about the guys with guns....

    I'd like to know how people do this. TIA
     
  2. gunnails

    gunnails Hillsboro Active Member

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    Meet at Jack in the box parking lot, do a bill of sale.
     
  3. Zombie Defense

    Zombie Defense Ridgefield Member

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    Meet in a public place that has good lighting if at night. I ask for there ID and CWP to insure they can legally own the firearms and I fill out a bill of sale that can be found at http://www.kcarmstrader.com/billofsale.pdf. I have never had an issue before. Good luck.
     
  4. SPU

    SPU Southwest Oregon Old Fart

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    That's a pretty complete answer. Thanks. I think I'll let my wife know where I'll be as well in case of the rare instance of a bad outcome.
     
  5. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    Meet in public parking lot, ask for ID to confirm same state residence, ask for CCW if you wish and complete a bill of sale. The BOS is not necessary but covers you if it is ever used unlawfully. If the person looks shady or refuses to show ID or do BOS just walk or drive away. Just be sure you state in your ad that you will require ID and BOS and that will weed most flakes out.

    Bill Of Sale For Firearms.
    Buyer certifies that they are not restricted or forbidden by law to own a firearm and buyer states that he/she:
    • Has NEVER been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year.
    • Is NOT a fugitive from justice.
    • Is NOT an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.
    • Has NEVER been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution.
    • Is NOT an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United states or an alien admitted to the United states under a nonimmigrant visa.
    • Has NOT been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions.
    • Having been a citizen of the United states, has NEVER renounced his or her citizenship.
    • Is NOT subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner.
    • Has NOT been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
    • CAN lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.
    • Is NOT a person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year.
    I truthfully state that I AM NOT a person who cannot legally buy, receive, and posses firearms and/or ammunition.
    Full Name _________________________________________ Signature _______________________________________
    Firearm(s) sold
    Make: __________________ Model:_____________ Caliber: ____________ S/N: _______________ Cost: ___________
    Make: __________________ Model:_____________ Caliber: ____________ S/N: _______________ Cost: ___________
    Make: __________________ Model:_____________ Caliber: ____________ S/N: _______________ Cost: ___________
    Buyer Seller
    (NAME)
    (ADDRESS)
    (DL)
    (CWL)
    (Contact #)
    I understand the firearm is sold AS-IS and no warranty has been implied or given. Firearm should be inspected by a
    competent gunsmith prior to using. Seller not responsible for any damages incurred or caused by the use of this firearm.
    Sale Conditions: _____________________________________________________________________________________
    Buyer Signature:_________________________________ Seller Signature:_____________________________________
     
  6. baada

    baada Surprise, AZ Member

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    I think some of the answers are coming from the perspective of the seller. As a buyer, as has been said, meet in public. I also like to make sure they have a good feedback on here, but a lack of feedback doesn't stop me.
     
  7. Dizle

    Dizle albany, oregon Member

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    i always carry a gun on me when doin a transaction, just so they arent the only one that has one=P
     
  8. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    +1
     
  9. rickthecabbie

    rickthecabbie Beaverton Member

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    Trust your gut.
    Remember that you do not have to buy!
    If it doesn't feel right do not make the deal.
    Despite all of the talk about flakey sellers, and flakey buyers,
    you are the person who will be left holding the bag in the end.
    It is up to you the buyer to decide if you think the contents of that bag are suspect.
    Again, Trust Your Gut.
     
  10. darkminstrel

    darkminstrel PDX Well-Known Member

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    One in the pipe and safety off. Don't give a damn who you are, your happy pills might be negatively reacting with your rum and coke.
     
  11. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    Okay, now THAT was funny. :rofl1:
     
  12. darkminstrel

    darkminstrel PDX Well-Known Member

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    *bows*

    Thank you, thank you. My job is done.
     
  13. SPU

    SPU Southwest Oregon Old Fart

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    Good advice and a crackup lol thrown in! Great information on the Bill of Sale links guys. Thanks.

    Baada you mention the feedback score is checked. I did a forum search and checked the FAQ section. Can't seem to find out how you get or give feedback, or the criteria. Can you or someone enlighten me?
     
  14. Raven

    Raven Salem, Oregon, United States Member

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    Click on the user's name and visit their profile. All feedback links - to read and leave are located there ;-)
     
  15. CavVet

    CavVet Seattle Member

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    1911

    ;)
     
  16. supergenius

    supergenius 206 Active Member

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    SOP. 1 in the pipe GTG. 99 pwercent of the time.
     
  17. Raven

    Raven Salem, Oregon, United States Member

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    As public as possible.

    Yes carry yourself during the transaction.

    Always do a bill of sale to protect your backside more than anything...

    And for peace of mind - driver's license AND concealed carry permit.

    If it feels at all shady - go through a local FFL and let them handle it...
     
  18. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    And here's that same form (pretty much) in .pdf format: http://r.dyna-biz.com/FIREARM BILL OF SALE.pdf that I have on one of my servers.

    8 US Presidents have been NRA members. They are: Ulysses S. Grant,
    Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower,
    John F. Kennedy, Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

    80 MILLION gun owners didn't shoot anyone today, a few criminals did!!

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    The "Feedback Score" is low by 4, not everyone posts it I guess.

    Deen
    NRA Benefactor/Recruiter
    Washington Arms Collector member
     
  19. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Paperwork is entirely unnecessary. Carry concealed, work only with cash.
     
  20. Carbohydrates

    Carbohydrates WA Member

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    I won't buy a gun if the seller won't give me his name and address. It may be legally unnecessary, but I sure would like to have some info to give the police if it turns out my new gun was involved in some recent wrongdoing from the previous owner.