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How do UBC's affect NFA sales

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by wired, Jan 31, 2016.

  1. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking about this yesterday and I'm still scratching my head although I think I know the answer. Before UBC's in Washington I could sell a NFA item to a private individual. They had to do the paperwork and get it approved and I could hand it over to them directly on a form 4. If I wanted to sell the guy down the street an SBR I could do that. Now I am not sure of how that works. Does the ATF NFA BG check count for the state on a form 4? How about is he wants to buy it on a trust? For a "normal" title one firearm I'd walk down to a regular FFL dealer and he'd do a 4473 and it would be a done deal. Would I need to go to a Class 3 dealer and form 4 it to him and he form 4's it out?
     
  2. broncman

    broncman E. of Portland yet to close! Quality Control!

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    I don't think they are affected at all. I have never had a dealer call or run the background thru the OSP background check when purchasing a NFA item. Yes I fill out the 4473 for there record but no check via the state is run.
    Just my humble opinion though!
     
  3. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    When I was an Oregon resident my dealer did a call in to the OSP every time I picked something up on a trust form 4. The 4473 got filled out and the call was made. I was approved and took the goodies home. I always figured on 15 minutes to half hour waiting for the approval.
     
  4. broncman

    broncman E. of Portland yet to close! Quality Control!

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    That may be a Trust thing . . . . I have only done Individual with NFA items!
    The way I look at it is the background check you go thru for NFA items far exceeds the UBC from either OSP or the NICS in Washington (in my opinion OSP just inputs your info in the NICS just like the Washington FFL's do and charge $10 to do it).
    Don't think anyone even knows how NFA transfers are affected, just like no one knows exactly how it affects the C&R FFL holders either.
    So since you asked the question are you selling or purchasing? What you selling or looking to buy? Inquiring minds want to know!:D
     
  5. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    Just wondering. Ive been accumulating a bunch of goodies during my self imposed exile in Oregon which just ended. I dont need to buy anything right now and I'm selling at this time either. I'm thinking that since the dealer has to run it through his books that it would have to go through a class 3 dealers since a Class 1 can really only deal in title 1. I know the dealer is only facilitating the transaction but it still gets logged into and out of his books.
     
  6. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    That's a good question. Now that Oregon is in the same annoying position of having UBC's I wonder if it applies here too. In the past I've made in state private form 4 transactions with no BGC. When buying from a dealer, background check was/is required.
     
  7. broncman

    broncman E. of Portland yet to close! Quality Control!

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    Last suppressor I picked up from my dealer no OSP background check done. Yes a 4473 was filled out but no call to OSP for a background check on an item already registered in my name, background check done and tax paid.o_O
     
  8. Norm0931

    Norm0931 Hillsboro, OR Sgt. Sheep Silver Vendor 2016 Volunteer

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    From a dealer: Trust = 4473 and background check ran, Individual = 4473 and no background check (ATF already ran it)
    For private sales of NFA items, if it's an individual, then you can just hand over the item since the ATF would have conducted a background check before approving the Form. For a trust, you would need to involve a dealer, who would run a background check once the approved Form comes back.
    In July though, the ATF will run all NFA checks so, you won't have dealers running checks anymore. The issue was with Trusts, the ATF couldn't run the check so the dealer had to run them on the responsible party picking up the item.
     
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