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How can an Amish man Buy an Firearm? (no photos of Amish)

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by RicInOR, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well this will be interesting.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-id-in-gun-rights-religious-freedom-lawsuit/



    "In a suit that brings together the Second Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), an Amish man filed a federal lawsuit in Pennsylvania last week because he wants to buy a gun without the required photo ID — and because getting that photo ID would violate his religious beliefs."





    When my BIL got marred in Amish country about 7 years ago, I was the "official" photographer. They had arranged an Amish buggy to be the "car" they left the reception in. We talked to the driver and he just moved around behind those of us with cameras - but was very clear he could not be in any pictures, not even from the back or at a distance. You can see them in the area and take pictures as you drive by, but that is them not knowingly participating.
     
  2. Tbucket

    Tbucket Olympia,Wash. Active Member

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    Well according to some a photo I.D. is discriminatory to the low income, at least that is what they say about voter I.D. laws. So are they discriminating against the low income who are trying to buy firearms? Religious discrimination also now. This is going to open a whole can of worms.
     
  3. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Aren't the Amish Christians??
    If they are they can be discriminated against with impunity!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sheldon
     
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  4. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The guy can go get his guns the way normal gang members have been doing for years:rolleyes:
     
  5. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    You can purchase an Antique firearm without a background check. This would also fit the period of time in history they choose to live in.
     
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  6. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily... back in the 1980s there was a write-in to Model Railroader magazine from an Amish model-RR club. They can have electricity under some conditions, but it has to be if memory serves either from batteries or generated themselves--these guys used 12v car batteries to power their layout.

    They aren't "total backward hicks," it's that their faith is one that they're very selective about which technologies they embrace and which they reject.

    Besides, I'll bet in a COMWEC scenario they're the first ones we'll all be looking to for advice on getting civilization back up and running, if the human vermin don't wipe them out first.
     
  7. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I know that they use more modern technology, off the grid, when it serves a good purpose to the community. A modern rifle would fit with that. But they have access to antique firearms though without the intrusion of needing background checks. They might not actually know since I doubt they spend as much time as we do on the ATF website trying to not break the stupid laws.

    I grew up in Montana and we had the Hutterites who have similar lifestyles as the Amish. We would take class trips when I was a kid to experience their lifestyle.
     
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  8. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    Gotcha--I spent a lot of time as a kid around Old Order Amish when visiting relatives back in Northern Indiana, just wanted to make sure we weren't stereotyping the way the Leftist goosesteppers like to do to us. :)
     
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  9. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    My comment was not meant to be derogatory. But since they tend to use the least advanced technology that adequately serves their purposes, an antique rifle would fit quite well.
     
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  10. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    From the article:

    “As the enclosed response [from the ATF] states, Federal firearm laws require photo identification when purchasing a firearm,” Toomey wrote. “There are no exceptions to this federal requirement.”

    “A lot of the Amish hunt and they usually use squirrel or rabbit rifles to bring some food back home,” Douglas County Sheriff Charlie McGrew said after a change in Illinois state law required Amish to have photo ID to buy guns in 2011. “Their big concern is this means they won’t be able to purchase guns or ammo.”
     
  11. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Ric
    And that my friend is the purpose of the requirement!!!!!!

    Sheldon
     
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  12. Charliehorse

    Charliehorse Cascade Mts - State of Jefferson USA Well-Known Member

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    If pics are not acceptable to Amish what about fingerprints?
     
  13. 45alive

    45alive South Douglas County- Orygun Well-Known Member

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    They can look at more primitive means to hunt for game as well. :s0076:Archery, slingshot for small game and traps and snares, if Legal. :s0092:
     
  14. Oregonhunter5

    Oregonhunter5 2C IDAHO Well-Known Member

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    Why does he need a gun? Dont the Amish Mofia handle the business?
     
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  15. Oregonhunter5

    Oregonhunter5 2C IDAHO Well-Known Member

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    I've said it before and I will say it again. When the crap flys, and the world is headed for defcon 5, the Amish will just keep Rollin.
    They are the kings of self subsistence.
     
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  16. bakersman345

    bakersman345 Camas wa Well-Known Member

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    80% lower, buy parts assemble tada.... if you choose to live in a faith that doesn't allow you to something that's your issue. They dont like our laws or technology they should stay out of it.

    that's like banning bacon in prison because Muslims don't like it. --- OH WAIT. :-( what a world
     
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  17. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    How can an Amish man buy a gun?

    Trade something you have but don't need to another Amish guy who has a gun but doesn't need it but needs what you have extra of.
     
  18. Kruejl

    Kruejl Hillsboro Moderator of the Coriolis effect Staff Member Gold Supporter Silver Supporter

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    DEFCON 1 is full scale nuclear war. DEFCON 5 is complete peacetime. We are currently at DEFCON 5.
     
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  19. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Even if they don't live in a free state they can still get it from a private party. Repeat after me-" I will not comply"
     
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  20. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Uh huh, just like the Kardashians handle their own boob jobs..