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How about AOW vs concealed one more time?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Gunner3456, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    OK, so I went to Wal Mart a while back and picked up a cell phone holster which just fits an extra mag for my PF-9 and I carry it on the left side belt. It has a nice velco/leather flap. My cell phone is in my shirt pocket. Handy for me.

    Now I'd like to have an OWB "holster" for the PF-9 that doesn't look like a holster. Something more rectangular or partly triangular would do.

    How far can I push that, considering I have a valid CCW, without going into AOW? I assume that fanny packs are legal since they are widely used. How about a rectangular leather holster that I have custom made that looks like it's for tools or something but has a velcro flap and looks nothing like a holster? It could still have added leather inside to hold the gun in an upright and handy position. I could even put a large but light spring in the bottom to push it up a little if I opened the flap.

    Where do I cross the line into AOW? I want to pay someone to make this.
     
  2. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Dunno, but it seems that you cross a line if you are able to operate the firearm from outside of the holster.

    You go from holster to:


    If you can't operate the firearm from outside, personally, I would consider it simply concealed.
     
  3. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    Per the CFR, §479.11

    If the case isn't part of the pistol, and you can't fire the pistol while it's in the case, you'll be ok.

    Here's a good thread I found on the topic:

    http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-chatter-box/137565-aow-wallet-holsters.html
     
  4. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    OK good. I want this thing to look like it's carrying a tool or something, have it be black, have the outside pop open (outward) some when the velcro flap is lifted to help grab the gun. It's a two handed draw just like a tucked IWB, but it isn't IWB. Left hand lifts the flap, right draws the gun.

    Gun can't be fired without drawing unless I shoot myself in the leg, LOL.

    Not too much velcro on the flap, btw. Just enough to secure it but not enough to make it hard to pull. Probably even hang some keys or something from the back edge of it.
     
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    dobanion North Portland, Oregon Member

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  6. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Not bad!

    I don't care for the cloth or the low placed snap of a type I find difficult sometimes. Also they appear to be a little bigger than they need to be for just a gun.

    But there are some ideas to take from them for sure. :thumbup:
     
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    sbryson21 Nampa, ID Member

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    ohsocountry1 clackamas oregon Member

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    +1
     
  9. ST Rider

    ST Rider Hubbard, OR Member

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    Not man purse. European shoulder bag. :thumbup:
     
  10. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Uh, that's what I was afraid it would be called all right. We need something that would suit
    Tim the Tool man. :)
     
  11. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Uh, that's what I was afraid it would be called all right. We need something that would suit
    Tim the Tool man. :)
     
  12. aslinged

    aslinged Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    You know how much money we'd all save if they just cracked the law and let open carry come back into style? That would nice.