House Republicans attempt to revive Real ID

[Kevatc]

If you're still a birther it's you who have the problem, you see you are incapable of accepting reality, regardless of the evidence.

Why We Believe Lies, Even When We Learn the Truth - Newsweek

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Some people form and cling to false beliefs about health-care reform (or Obama's citizenship) despite overwhelming evidence thanks to a mental phenomenon called motivated reasoning, says sociologist Steven Hoffman, visiting assistant professor at the University at Buffalo. "Rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief," he says, "people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe."
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Of course given the veracity of the internet you can actually find verification that the moon is made out of green cheese.

It's a very uncomfortable thing from a psychological perspective to confront ones closely held beliefs with an antithetical point of view. Sometimes it's just too hard to make the psychological or intellectual leap to the realization that perhaps what you believe and why might be wrong. Like the quote says, rather than rationally process the info it is far easier to say "ya, but ....".

 

[MA Duce]

id, no id, natl id, no natl id.... since they won't do anything about illegals when they meet them, why should we sacrifice a sliver more of our rights for yet another expensive, utterly ineffective measure?

there's ONE solution. there's ONE thing that will solve the majority of the illegal immigration problem- close the mother bubbleguming border. fence up, cameras up, US army infantry patrolling the line. and i bet that'd cost less than any bullbubblegum ID card. until our government will do this for us, we shouldn't do a hot damn mother flogging thing for them.

WHAT??? Resort to common sense??? What'n heck are YOU thinking???

 

[Wheeler44]

Perhaps, but the status quo isn't working so well right now is it? At some point, the paralysis of analysis has to be overcome and definitve steps have to be taken. That's not to say those steps can't be improved or revised but good grief I don't understand the logic of bubbleguming about the issue and poo pooing a potential solution just cause it could possibly have some shortcomings. The problem has been defined, apply a solution, evaluate and adapt as necessary. What's that saying ... the perfect is the enemy of the good. The policy doesn't have to get it right all at once. But the ball has to get rolling and from where I stand perhaps this ID approach might be a good place to start.

Just exactly which or what problem would a national biometric ID solve? Are there more realistic solutions? Get back to me on that will ya?

 

[MA Duce]

Just exactly which or what problem would a national biometric ID solve? Are there more realistic solutions? Get back to me on that will ya?

My idea for a realistic solution? Shoot every other Arab who attempts to enter the country. Gambling is forbidden by the Koran.

 

[Kevatc]

Just exactly which or what problem would a national biometric ID solve? Are there more realistic solutions? Get back to me on that will ya?

There wouldn't be a need for a fence, the use of troops to secure the border (which I think would be a violation of the posse commitatus act), or the need for large numbers of deportations if it were impossible to buy or rent a car, rent or buy an apartment or home, or be employed unless you were a citizen. How would a business or a government entity know who could and couldn't do business or use government services unless there was some uniform and consistent way of proving a person is here legally? Yes, there are potential problems and pitfalls to a national ID but to just poo poo it off because it isn't perfect is to say the status quo is better than trying to do something realistic about the problem. Solutions to difficult problems require courage to act then revise and refine as needed. Then again, we can all just sit around and bubblegum about the issue, do nothing about it, and wonder why it continues to get worse. That approach ain't working about immigration, the national debt, taxes, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

 

[moose]

Show me your papers, old man.

The whole 'if you got nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind' mentality sickens me. The 4 amendment was put there for a reason.

Around here, we have the Border Patrol and they have never heard of the 4 amendment. If you really were a good citizen, you wont mind being stopped at a random check point and interogated (which, by the way, is exclusively prohibited by state law).

 

[drew]

The whole 'if you got nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind' mentality sickens me. The 4 amendment was put there for a reason.

Around here, we have the Border Patrol and they have never heard of the 4 amendment. If you really were a good citizen, you wont mind being stopped at a random check point and interogated (which, by the way, is exclusively prohibited by state law).

My response to that is suggesting they strip naked on the spot. 'If you got nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind', right?

I've always been tempted to ask the border patrol if they were lost when they were a ways from a border. Never asked because I figure they'd select my vehicle for further inspection.