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House Committee Votes to Hold Eric Holder in Contempt of Congress!

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  1. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Subject: GOA Alert: House Committee Votes to Hold Eric Holder in Contempt of Congress!
    Date: Jun 20, 2012 4:43 PM
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    House Committee Votes to Hold Eric Holder in Contempt of Congress!
    -- White House invokes Executive Privilege,
    refuses to release subpoenaed documents

    &#8220;How can the President assert executive privilege if there was no White House involvement? How can the President exert executive privilege over documents he's supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme?&#8221; -- Senator Chuck Grassley(R-IA), June 20, 2012

    Having promised that his administration would be the &#8220;most open and transparent in history,&#8221; President Barack Obama invoked executive privilege today to lock up documents that House investigators were seeking in relation to the cover-up surrounding Operation Fast & Furious.

    In response, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted to hold Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, noting that he has consistently refused to release thousands upon thousands of subpoenaed documents.

    Executive privilege has been used by Presidents in the past (all the way back to George Washington) as a mechanism to protect sensitive documents relating to things like the military, foreign powers, or the President&#8217;s power to pardon.

    But today&#8217;s invoking of executive privilege was not aimed at protecting the country. Rather, it appears to be nothing more than a crass attempt to cover-up lies and misstatements made by Eric Holder and others in his department. Consider some of the following:


    The Justice Department -- in a letter dated February 4, 2011 -- told Congress that the U.S. does not knowingly help smuggle guns into Mexico. The Justice Department had to retract that letter ten months later.

    On May 5, 2011, Attorney General Eric Holder testified before Congress that he only learned about Fast & Furious &#8220;a few weeks ago.&#8221; Later, he had to confess that it would have been more accurate to say &#8220;a couple of months&#8221; ago -- and even that statement was dubious considering that he had received memos on Fast & Furious as far back as July, 2010.

    On June 12, 2012, Attorney General Holder defiantly told Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) that the Bush administration knew that guns were being smuggled into Mexico as part of a program called Operation Wide Receiver. The insinuation was that the Obama administration simply inherited a &#8220;gun walking&#8221; program that was out of control. Today, however, Holder had to retract his earlier statement that Bush officials knew about &#8220;gun walking.&#8221;

    Finally, there are the leaked affidavits. As reported by John Lott today, a mole in the Justice Department gave Rep. Darrell Issa&#8217;s Oversight and Government Reform Committee a set of wiretap applications &#8220;proving that high department officials knew about the administration&#8217;s efforts to aid the gun smuggling.&#8221; As noted by Lott, this destroyed much of Holder&#8217;s credibility since he had claimed these wiretap applications were not relevant to Fast & Furious and justified his refusal to release them.


    Technically speaking, executive privilege is supposed to be employed to protect deliberations where the President was personally involved. Hence, the invoking of the privilege seems to suggest that the President (or his top deputies) have known more about Fast & Furious than has heretofore been admitted by any Justice Department official.

    It&#8217;s interesting that Eric Holder wanted to get immunity from Issa's committee before he would give any more paperwork to them. Having failed to get the desired immunity, Holder asked President Obama to lock up the requested documents.

    One significant Senator blasted the use of executive privilege: &#8220;There&#8217;s been a tendency on the part of this administration to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there&#8217;s something a little shaky taking place. The administration would be best served by coming clean on this.&#8221;

    Ironically, that quote does not come from any Republican in the Senate, but rather from then-Sen. Barack Obama during a CNN interview on March 19, 2007.

    The President has just raised the stakes as his actions today point to his involvement in either planning or covering up the fallout related to Operation Fast & Furious.

    REMEMBER: Those who are close to this investigation have concluded that Operation Fast & Furious was nothing more than attempt to bring new and stronger gun control laws which would only render Americans less safe.

    But the Operation blew up in their faces after hundreds of people were killed by Fast & Furious guns -- and in particular, a Border Patrol named Brian Terry in December, 2010.

    ACTION: Now that Issa&#8217;s committee has voted to hold the Attorney General in contempt, it means that the full House will have to vote on the citation. So please take the following action:

    1. Click here to contact your Representative and urge him to VOTE IN FAVOR OF holding the Attorney General in contempt.
    http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=61488046

    2. If your Representative is a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and voted in favor of the contempt citation today, thank him. If he opposed it, then blast him!

    3. Circulate this alert to your friends and family!
     
  2. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Darrell Issa is the modern day Eugene McCarthy and this is all political circus. This current iteration of a gun walking program started with the Bush administration in 2006. Holder stops the program, Issa doens't even realize that the docs he wants requires the AG to violate the law, Holder gives all the documents he can AND meets personally with Issa to work things out. Not enough says Issa ... I need to make a name for myself and cowtow to the Tea Party. I hope to God the Repub's pay for this travesty at the polls this fall.

    We've got serious economic issues and a need to find solutions to some very serious and pressing problems and the Repub's have their panties in a wad about this? I am so disgusted by the House and it's dysfunctional political games and gamesmanship. Congress fiddles while the country struggles.
     
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  3. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    And the lib talking points begin
     
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  4. salmonriverjohn

    salmonriverjohn N.W Oregon coast, Gods country Well-Known Member

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    Amen brother. Holder is guilty as they get, and the Prez,,, or whatever you want to call him, is as guilty as he is.
    Lets see,, the last president that tried this executive privilege game when it came to hiding evidence was Nixon, and we all know how that went for him, AND, I hope to God the Dems pay for this travesty at the polls this fall.

    And yes Cougfan2, I took the bait.













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  5. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    It overdue but FF is finally getting the traction it deserves. Congress should add the media for thier cover up or lack of coverage to this gun gate.
     
  6. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    NRA Applauds Passage of U.S. House Committee Resolution Recommending that the House Find Attorney General Holder in Contempt of Congress

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    Fairfax, Va. – The U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform passed a resolution recommending that the House find Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr. in contempt of Congress by a 23 to 17 vote.

    “The NRA fully supports this contempt resolution,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. “The American people – including millions of NRA members and tens of millions of NRA supporters – deserve the truth, and we will support any effort that leads us to that truth.”

    The Committee’s report thoroughly details the immediate reasons for the resolution: the Justice Department’s open defiance of legitimate demands for documents that are needed for oversight and investigation of one of the most disastrous episodes in the history of federal law enforcement.

    Since taking office, Attorney General Holder has seized on the deadly violence in Mexico to promote more gun control. He perpetuated the lie that “90 percent” of firearms used in Mexican crime come from the U.S. and he called for resurrecting the 1994 Clinton gun ban; and to justify the illegal multiple sales reporting scheme, which amounts to gun registration for honest Americans who buy long guns in southwest border states.

    There is little doubt that the White House used the Fast and Furious program to advance its gun control agenda. The White House actively sought information from the operation to support its plan to demand reporting of multiple rifle sales by the nearly 9,000 federally licensed firearm dealers in border states.

    “The NRA’s support of this resolution was not undertaken lightly. Eric Holder and the Justice Department owe it to the American people to produce the truth,” concluded Cox.

    A letter to Chairman Issa from Chris Cox can be found here: http://nraila.org/media/7733622/cc-letter-to-issa.pdf



    -NRA-
     
  7. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    They won't do a thing to him. Just like when the let Rumsfeld and Cheney get away with so much crap. They never really punish their own. They don't want to set a precedent of accountability.

    Which is a shame because heads should roll on this whole Fast & Furious thing. Not for the act itself (that has been something that has been being done for years and picked up under GW Bush) but for the gross negligence in it's execution and then the attempt to cover up said negligence.
     
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  8. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    "They don't want to set a precedent of accountability."

    Good line PP. :thumbup:

    I'll bet that another calculation that went into the decision to claim EP was this is another distraction from Romney s favorite topic, the economy and three years (so far) of operating without a budget. These guys love distractions.

    Of course they were forced into it but they know what the medias (who have tried their best to ignore the subject) meme will be, 'Those evil, racist Republicans are just trying to bring down the black men and get themselves elected'
     
  9. salmonriverjohn

    salmonriverjohn N.W Oregon coast, Gods country Well-Known Member

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  10. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    At least when GW did it the Mexican government was on board and tracking from their end so the guns weren't "lost".
    With F&F once they left the FFL's (who wanted to stop it) the guns were lost and Mexico had no knowledge it was happening. BATF agents who complained were told to get another job and FFL's were told to complete the sale no matter how illegal it was.

    There's a BIG difference in the operations and the present admin knows it!
     
  11. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Thus my claims of gross negligence and incompetence. It wasn't that they were doing anything new or even that difficult. They just screwed it up royally and then lied about it. Part of it has to do with the fact that the Mexican government is now solely owned by the drug cartels. Still, they knew the Mexican government was now too corrupt to cooperate and I cannot help but think the current AG wanted the project to go bad so they could point to all the guns the US sent to Mexican criminals. They just didn't count on a citizen being killed with one and the whole thing blowing up in their faces.
     
  12. WhyteCheddar

    WhyteCheddar East of Moscow by the Willamette Well-Known Member

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    It says a lot thatthe OTHER party does not have their panties in a wad over the Feds walking gunsacross the boarder and into the hands of cold blooded killers. That the OTHERparty does not have their panties in a wad over the murder of a Boarder Patrolagent.
    I don&#8217;t give aflying bubblegum what party this bubblegum of an AG is. Hit him with the book,and every swinging bubblegum that follows him that fails.
    And the OTHER partyhas had almost 4 years to care about the economy and we see where that&#8217;s gottenus.
     
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  13. beerdude

    beerdude Keizer Member

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    Why do the American people put up with this? Are we all that soft,are just stupid ?
     
  14. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    Because the federal government selling firearms to drug gangs in Mexico is a good thing
     
  15. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    That is why no administration investigates anything a previous one has done. (In cases of gross abuse of power/law they should)
     
  16. Doc Maker

    Doc Maker Port Orchard, WA Active Member

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    "Terry&#8217;s death is indeed a scandal, part of the &#8220;Fast and Furious&#8221; operation in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives lost track of 2,000 guns it was planning to trace on their way to Mexican drug cartels; two of those firearms were found near Terry&#8217;s body. After that, the Justice Department shut down the program (which followed similar &#8220;gun-walking&#8221; operations during the George W. Bush administration), fired or reassigned several people who ran the program out of ATF&#8217;s Phoenix office, requested an inspector-general investigation and handed over about 7,600 pages of records to Issa&#8217;s committee.

    Republicans want to know whether top officials at Justice or the White House knew about the gun-walking program, which, although they haven&#8217;t turned up evidence of this, would be a reasonable line of inquiry. But casting doubt on their motives are the documents they are demanding: only those since February 2011 &#8212; two months after Terry was killed and the program was shut down.... Issa never sought public testimony from people in the Phoenix ATF office who ran the operation, or from the former head of the ATF, who told committee investigators that he never informed Justice Department higher-ups of the operation because he didn&#8217;t know about it."-Washington Post

    This is nothing more than an election year pissing match between the President and the House GOP. Why would anyone want to get re-elected to a Congress that tops out at 15% approval? My guess is $$$. This isn't even a firearms issue anymore. This is a separation of powers argument.
     
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  17. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    Libs just love to minimize when its thier a$$ in trouble and blame other people instead of taking responsibility. NOBODY GOT KILLED UNDER WIDE RECIEVER Don't you think 4 to 6 yrs of blaming Bush is enough and its time to grow up and take responsibility. Most of us don't vote under One item issues. I have always wondered what the Dems would have said if this failed plan to legislate gun contols would have not failed and been successful would you still be protecting Holder and BHO for being successful in quelling 2A rights with more gun control laws.
     
  18. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Amen. I can't stand Issa - he's the very definition of a self-interested political hyprocrite - and F&F is mostly a political beat-up of a bungled operation by the ever bungling ATF. I didn't need Issa to be reminded that most government agencies are incompetent bunglers. I'm frankly sick of the coverage on gun blogs etc too.
     
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  19. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    No, they are just uninformed/misinformed.
    Tune in to any of the alphabet network news and see how much coverage you can find. And then listen to how it's covered.
    If they're not telling you it was a botched "sting" operation, (there was no provision for a sting) they will tell you that republicans are after holder because they're racists (Gwen Ifill NPR/PBS).
    As an example of my assertion, in the year plus that this fiasco has been being investigated, NBC's "Today Show" has never covered it, period.

    It's just one more example of the way the old guard media has chosen to protect the president they made.
    If you are old enough to remember the watergate fiasco, and the 24/7 press coverage, you will understand just how far "in the tank" the press is with obama and his corrupt cronies.
    Their lack of coverage of this corruption that has gotten hundreds killed is astounding!

    ETA: NBC's Today show covered F&F for the first time, on the day I wrote this post!
     
  20. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    The only person that was fired was one of the whistleblowers. The others were promoted or re-assigned.
    No doubt to buy their silence.
    Hmmm, odd that this mainstream publication (that backs this president every chance they get) doesn't mention the DOJ official taking the 5th so he wouldn't have to incriminate himself with his testimony.

    Hundreds are dead as a direct result of this holder inspired fiasco.
    And all you lefties can do is try to shift the blame to Bush?
    Election Year Newsflash: Bush isn't running!
     
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