Hostile or Friendly? Target Discrimination - CSAT with Paul Howe

[titsonritz]

One key element of situational awareness is the rapid and reliable ability to distinguish a potential or active threat, from an innocent person, law enforcement personnel, or other friendly. This skill is even more necessary in a high pressure situation that calls for split-second decision making. In this video, Master Sergeant (Ret) Paul Howe of the Combat Shooting and Tactics school talks about the principles of target discrimination used by special forces in the field that apply to every day life as well.

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[Certaindeaf]

One key element of situational awareness is the rapid and reliable ability to distinguish a potential or active threat, from an innocent person, law enforcement personnel, or other friendly. This skill is even more necessary in a high pressure situation that calls for split-second decision making. In this video, Master Sergeant (Ret) Paul Howe of the Combat Shooting and Tactics school talks about the principles of target discrimination used by special forces in the field that apply to every day life as well.

In .00067 microseconds I discerned that the mustachioed goob in the thumbnail is likely a washed up 70's porn star so didn't click.
I win.

 

[bbbass]

Shoot them all and let God sort it out.

 

[ma96782]

BUT, But, but......
Perhaps, one could start at 4:55?

Aloha, Mark

 

[titsonritz]

In .00067 microseconds I discerned that the mustachioed goob in the thumbnail is likely a washed up 70's porn star so didn't click.
I win.

Paul R. Howe (born 1959) is an American former special operations soldier. He was a Delta Force team leader who was involved with special operations as a U.S. Army soldier. He was involved in the special operations rescue at the Battle of Mogadishu (1993) which led to the book Black Hawk Down: A Story of Modern War and the Black Hawk Down film. He is a firearms instructor and counterterrorism expert who trains people in high-risk operations. His company is called CSAT-Combat Shooting and Tactics. He is the author of three books about leadership.

 

[titsonritz]

Shoot them all and let God sort it out.

Yeah, who needs friends and family, and to hell with those poor hapless innocents running around with no clue but have a cell phones in their hands.

 

[bbbass]

Yeah, who needs friends and family, and to hell with those poor hapless innocents running around with no clue but have a cell phones in their hands.

Too seriious... LOL.

Lighten up Clarence!!!

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Some things to consider when investigating , identifying or otherwise dealing with a threat :

During times of stress the mind can "see" or "hear" what it expects to see or hear...
Which may or may not actually be what is there.
It is wise to take that extra second to ascertain what appears to be a threat , actually is threat.

What is a threat to one person...may not seem to be a threat to another person.
Age , health issues / mobility and living situation can play a role here.

The threat itself needs to be considered.
How likely is the threat going to be...what are the threat's actions...does the threat appear to be under the influence of drugs or some sort of mental issue...how is the threat responding to you , your actions or commands...

Some sort of practiced plan is helpful when faced with a threat.
However...understand that a threat will not play by your rules or go along with your plan.
Be flexible in your mindset / plan.

How all of the above falls out...will play a part in your life afterwards.

All of the above can be discussed endlessly and for hours on a forum.
However in real life you may only have seconds to make a life altering decision.
Andy

 

[HA556]

Some things to consider when investigating , identifying or otherwise dealing with a threat :

During times of stress the mind can "see" or "hear" what it expects to see or hear...
Which may or may not actually be what is there.
It is wise to take that extra second to ascertain what appears to be a threat , actually is threat.

What is a threat to one person...may not seem to be a threat to another person.
Age , health issues / mobility and living situation can play a role here.

The threat itself needs to be considered.
How likely is the threat going to be...what are the threat's actions...does the threat appear to be under the influence of drugs or some sort of mental issue...how is the threat responding to you , your actions or commands...

Some sort of practiced plan is helpful when faced with a threat.
However...understand that a threat will not play by your rules or go along with your plan.
Be flexible in your mindset / plan.

How all of the above falls out...will play a part in your life afterwards.

All of the above can be discussed endlessly and for hours on a forum.
However in real life you may only have seconds to make a life altering decision.
Andy

One of the most profound and accurate posts I've read in a while!

 

[Andy54Hawken]

One of the most profound and accurate posts I've read in a while!

Thank you...
Andy

 

[OneArgus]

Its been said in some states, the dead do not have a defense and do not testify.
Hear me out.
There exist 1000's of cases where a deadly threat was defended. Only to find that they are not guilty.
But are sued in civil court. Because the person lived.

Its and aspect most ignore, is even if the cops, or judge lets you go free.
Your nightmare may beginning.

A Major in the Marines, and also a firearms instructor in the civilian world.
Told me, A use of Deadly threat, does not mean you should return a defense of lessor means.
He basically said, a shot to the leg, is like giving away all you own.

I am not and nor was he suggesting you go around killing people.
If it is a deadly threat, and then it should in kind be responded as such, or not at all.

Argus

 

[Unicykle]

I just come out squeezing some off cause my eyesights not so good.

 

[OneArgus]

Pew Pew Pew.

Argus

 

[Paolung]

Paul R. Howe (born 1959) is an American former special operations soldier. He was a Delta Force team leader who was involved with special operations as a U.S. Army soldier. He was involved in the special operations rescue at the Battle of Mogadishu (1993) which led to the book Black Hawk Down: A Story of Modern War and the Black Hawk Down film. He is a firearms instructor and counterterrorism expert who trains people in high-risk operations. His company is called CSAT-Combat Shooting and Tactics. He is the author of three books about leadership.

AND a 70s pornstar.

What a stud.

 

[titsonritz]

Too seriious... LOL.

Lighten up Clarence!!!

It's a serious subject in what should be a serious part of the forum and a subject I personally don't what to f' up on.

That said...

 

[bbbass]

It's a serious subject in what should be a serious part of the forum

No joking allowed!!!!!

Whatever.

 

[tac556]

Its been said in some states, the dead do not have a defense and do not testify.
Hear me out.
There exist 1000's of cases where a deadly threat was defended. Only to find that they are not guilty.
But are sued in civil court. Because the person lived.

Its and aspect most ignore, is even if the cops, or judge lets you go free.
Your nightmare may beginning.

A Major in the Marines, and also a firearms instructor in the civilian world.
Told me, A use of Deadly threat, does not mean you should return a defense of lessor means.
He basically said, a shot to the leg, is like giving away all you own.

I am not and nor was he suggesting you go around killing people.
If it is a deadly threat, and then it should in kind be responded as such, or not at all.

Argus

This is somewhat true- because it is harder for a family to sue for wrongful death of a relative than it is for an injured person to sue for excessive force because they were shot and lived.

However, I would say your example given of shooting someone in the leg= losing the lawsuit is poorly thought out. The use of force is either justified or not, plenty of people have been shot and injured and did not sue, or did not win in a lawsuit, because the civil court takes everything into factor.

It is indeed easier to win that civil case if the other side is unable to testify to refute what you are saying though. Hearsay evidence and circumstantial evidence is never as good as direct testimony.

<—— retired LE firearms/UOF instructor.

 

[OneArgus]

Having studied law a few decades, and spent allot of time in civil court room.
I am going to stand by what I mentioned.

Why I respect your position as a LEO. There is a massive difference in Criminal Law and Civil Law.
People sue all the time for injuries, and do easily as the burden is to simply tip the scales.
In California there is a huge list of civil law cases against LEO's, for injuries and death.
That is not including the private sector.

Its not only well thought out, its in practice .

Argus,

 

[titsonritz]

^^^It all depends on the state, for instance, in Arizona there is a law that one may not civilly sue over a legitimate self-defense shooting.

 

[Certaindeaf]

This is somewhat true- because it is harder for a family to sue for wrongful death of a relative than it is for an injured person to sue for excessive force because they were shot and lived.

However, I would say your example given of shooting someone in the leg= losing the lawsuit is poorly thought out. The use of force is either justified or not, plenty of people have been shot and injured and did not sue, or did not win in a lawsuit, because the civil court takes everything into factor.

It is indeed easier to win that civil case if the other side is unable to testify to refute what you are saying though. Hearsay evidence and circumstantial evidence is never as good as direct testimony.

<—— retired LE firearms/UOF instructor.

If you are ever sued, countersue.
If you don't and you win, your court and defense costs will not be paid by the other party.
I am not a lawyer. Potato.