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hoppes #9 gun bore cleaner, not just for bores?

Discussion in 'Maintenance & Gunsmithing' started by NoSmoking, Oct 25, 2014.

  1. NoSmoking

    NoSmoking Springfield Member

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    Complete newbie regarding these things, so please excuse my ignorance! =)

    I picked up Hoppes #9 and some breakfree clp.

    I'm cleaning my brand new vp9 and I wanted to make sure its safe/ok to use hoppes 9 all over my gun. Its not just for the bore right?

    I tried to find a guide, but came up short.
     
  2. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    It's a CLP, it's also petrochemicals, i would be wary of using it on the plastics.

    Try a dedicated degreaser, like MPro7 cleaner for the all over approach.
     
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  3. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Plastics are something I was concerned about with Hoppes #9 but as much as I try to avoid it, I've been pretty sloppy with it on my synthetic stocks and grips and so far no problem.
     
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    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    The Elite version?
     
  5. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Watch using any solvents on the "plastic" .22lr AR mag feed lips. It made some of the earlier ones brittle.:(
     
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  6. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Ahhhhh I love the smell of Hoppes #9 in the morning :D
    My first whiff was in the 1940's

    A take on the Movie Apocalypse Now :D

    Its like skin bracer, old spice or a fresh brew. The rifleman's cologne :)
    Grandpa's gun room always smelled of Hoppe's #9
     
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  7. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The smell of Hoppes #9 and burning JP-4 :cool:
    Does bring back memories......;)

    The 40's :eek:......:p......Old Fart:D
     
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  8. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I just checked, I've used/have that as well as the original. Does it damage plastic? Maybe long term?
    All is well for now. Marlin795, ruger mini all weather, old no name 22 revolver/cheap plastic grips, Ruger SR9, rubbery grips on my .38 and some other things. Can't swear I used the ELITE on all of these.:eek:
     
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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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  10. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Yeah, the Elite version is the safe stuff made by MPro7, otherwise, probably not recommended on plastics.
     
  11. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Kinda confused now. In your opinion:

    Hoppes #9 Bad on plastics

    Hoppes Elite OK on plastics

    MPro7 is the same formula as Hoppes Elite and therefore OK on plastics

    I think that's what you're saying.
     
  12. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    So fairly close;

    Hoppes = Old regular petro-chemical oil, basically using oil's natural attributes to sell as gun oil/cleaner etc. (oil naturally lifts dirt, lubes and leaves a barrier layer)

    Knowing that new companies were coming up with actual specific cleaners, particularly oil free type products, they asked MPro 7 (one of the aforementioned companies) to produce a safe cleaner, which they did, but it's not exactly the same product. Basically if you want the real deal, buy MPro7's gun cleaner.

    So, oil on plastics, typically never good, water based cleaners, obviously no issue, Hoppes Elite, made by MPro7, no issue. MPro7 the same? not quite, they make the original version.


    Pretty much all the old products, cleaners (regular & copper) are not actually very good. Do they work? yes, but there are far better products out there. Oil is oil, but we need it mixed/properties in a certain way to help with the specifics guns need, like strong barrier film and solid pressure/lubrication stuff.

    This looks like a long read, but it's really useful in understanding what we're buying and what's been sold to us for many years, it's not quite magical, but does have certain chosen properties making it more suitable than picking up literally any oil for gun use.

    http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html
     
  13. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Naphtha and palm oil... :rolleyes: in the morning.

    Seriously I still use and like Hoppes #9, it's not the only tool in the kit, Kroil is in there, Sweet's 7.65, Birchwood Casey pressurized solvent whatever they call it? Gun Scrubber? (a lot like Break-Free Powder Blast).

    Probably the only thing NOT good for contacting Hoppes is humans. Never seen it harm anything on / in guns.
     
  14. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    My question then would be if it is bad for plastic why is it sold in plastic bottles. or are they special plastic bottles???
     
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    bellarum beaverton Well-Known Member

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    I want my next pistol made from recycled Hoppes bottles!! They would only come in brown, would be self cleaning, and smell good!
     
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  16. U201491

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    Hoppes never let me down, Even kept an old t-shirt soaked with it in my cleaning box. And in a plastic bag when in the field. Days in the rain and use it to wipe down everything and never in 60 yrs a spec of rust. Cleans protects, and with some slick stuff on the moving parts, it pretty much does what it needs to do. I don't throw good proven things out just to try new things. Use what is proven and guess what the price is right yet.
     
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  17. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Never had a problem with Hoppes #9. I have had some plastic elevator buttons and bezels crumble when cleaned with solvents, other than alchohol. The only "Gun" warning I've seen was for plastic feed lips on AR .22 rifle magazines.:(

    The warning was "Use of solvents tends to make the feed lips brittle.":eek:
     
  18. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    The possible problem with Hoppe's 9 on plastic, is finish, and, dependent on the plastic type, may or may not affect it.

    Take note here, 'plastic' is an incredibly generic term, one would be a fool if they were to think there was only one type.

    I will also re-stress the point i made earlier, that whilst "oil" works for our purpose, it's because it covers and contains the properties we need from it. You can strengthen or weaken choice properties to the application at hand.

    Just because something has never failed, it doesn't mean there isn't something that does it better :)
     
  19. Reno911

    Reno911 Hillsboro Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Didn't even know hopped was an issue for plastic. Been using it my whole life. No issues what so ever.

    That and remmy oil are all I really use.

    Hoppes to clean everything, remmy to oil everything.

    Started using mobile 1 for lubing lately since it's less expensive. That's about it.

    Sometimes I think people put too much thought in cleaning a gun. It's metal mostly. Not rocket science, shoot, people put less care in their automobile maintenance and a car is much more of a mechanical device than a gun is.
     
  20. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Mobil1 will be better than remoil :D No idea why, but remoil seems nasty thin and ineffective :(