Quantcast
  1. Sign up now and join over 35,000 northwest gun owners. It's quick, easy, and 100% free!

Homeland Security Won't Explain Why They Bought So Much Ammo

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by Steve06, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. Steve06

    Steve06 Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    61
  2. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    589
    According to Wiki they have 216,000 employees.

    So if each employee carries a 40 S&W (which they don't), and all were required to shoot say 100 a month (and I don't think they do), that would be 2.1 million rounds a month. 25.93 million a year. So maybe they just ordered 17.3 years worth at one go? Haha!
     
  3. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,350
    Likes Received:
    1,726
    It's been discussed here a few times, and they haven't bought it yet. They put in an indefinite order for an indefinite quantity of up to 450 million rounds over the next 5 years. That means, they could buy 450 million or they could by 0. 450 million rounds for an agency to use, practice and qualify with. They have over 200,000 employess with 90 million rounds a year equals 450 rounds per person. 450 rounds per person doesn't seem all that strange. Now granted, not all 200,000 people in DHS carry, but agencies want to keep a stock on hand, they have a set amount of ammunition the issued to people who carry and those people also have to practice and qualify with the same ammunition.
     
  4. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    5,774
    Likes Received:
    4,957
    WOW hasn't this been beat to death about 4 times already.
     
  5. Sasquatchvnv

    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    171
    Wish I could afford to use hollowpoint for training.
     
    gearhead and (deleted member) like this.
  6. Barone20

    Barone20 Damascus, Or Active Member

    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    46
    either way, if this is true you think they would be able to explain.
     
  7. Steve06

    Steve06 Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    61
    This.
     
  8. blk04specv

    blk04specv Hillsboro Member

    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    16
    You can afford it, who do you think is paying for the ammunition? The tax payers.
     
  9. Sasquatchvnv

    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    171
    I think the red chinese are paying for it. The money they squeeze out of us only covers about 40 cents on every dollar they spend these days.
     
  10. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

    Messages:
    5,969
    Likes Received:
    5,495
    The ants inside the ant farm want to know what the moving blur outside the glass is up to ....
     
    erudne, stratbastard, Doctnt and 5 others like this.
  11. DEADTIME

    DEADTIME Coeur D alene Active Member

    Messages:
    246
    Likes Received:
    151
    That would be eric holder and Janet Napolitano studying up on how Zimbabwe took care of its white population problem.
     
    erudne and (deleted member) like this.
  12. 556

    556 Beaverton,OR Active Member

    Messages:
    443
    Likes Received:
    158
    maybe there buying up ammo because they are afraid the ammo hoarders will cause a shortage?the same reason were buying it up.
     
  13. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    6,279
    Likes Received:
    6,918
  14. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

    Messages:
    384
    Likes Received:
    122
    They bought it for the same reason others due. They expect to use it for something. The real question is what?
     
  15. gearhead

    gearhead NC Active Member

    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    42
    Being in the service, and working under DHS, my educated guess is that they're up to no good. The training they shove down our throats repeatedly demonizes the civilian population. Suspicion and observation are all the rage these days. For the record, we do train with JHP ammo, but we only shoot every 6 months. Not exactly burning through a significant amount of ammunition.
     
  16. knuckle Head

    knuckle Head southeast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,631
    Likes Received:
    918
    If you have not figured it out yet people, please do not argue amongst yourselves, just take a good look at what is going on i the world and with Greece where they were a year ago where they are today. Then take a look at where we are today and where we are expected to be in 1 - 5 years.

    Also look at this forum http://www.northwestfirearms.com/pr...ct-%91global-economic-collapse%92-2030-a.html and shave ten years off of it on the outside best situation

    also, ponder this Population in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer
     
  17. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

    Messages:
    12,903
    Likes Received:
    19,491
    Lemme see... with a population of roughly 312.8 million people that means a bullet for each of our heads, with a few spares in case more than one is needed for the occassional thicker skull. ;)
     
  18. Scrammer

    Scrammer SW Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    826
    Likes Received:
    1,896
  19. knuckle Head

    knuckle Head southeast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,631
    Likes Received:
    918
    Good read, thanks for posting.

    People it is time to wake and smell the coffee.
     
  20. DAPSRT

    DAPSRT Dallas, Or Active Member

    Messages:
    169
    Likes Received:
    36
    I will not say there is never an agenda or there are no organized plans to disarm Americans because I think they're working on it slowly. That's why we can't afford to keep enabling the politicians we have in office, that "We" as Oregonians keep putting in there ("We" figuratively because I don't vote for the Wydens and Schraders!). We need the career politicians out and to get normal people in, just as our country's founders intended.

    That being said, it takes a lot of ammunition to keep law enforcement trained to a level you and I expect (for them to hit their mark when they need to and not hit unintended people). If we don't want them to miss the targets, they have to be trained and maintain their training. In particular, for the new hires that need to be trained and for any special agents that are expected to have a higher skill level than most, such as the Air Marshals. Keep in mind, I'm not justifying their existence as an agency, simply saying that if they're going to exist they need to be trained properly!

    Depending on the spin put on data, one can make that data say anything they want. In this instance, no credit is being given for the things I brought up, nor is there any specific "evidence" presented that makes the authors point such as a letter or statement. We're taking them at their word that DHS won't explain themselves or that this practice is outside of normal. It sounds to me like a fairly normal contract/GSA agreement to me right off for a contract to provide up to that many rounds of ammunition at a specific, locked in price. In that case, they're probably spending money pretty wisely. They're certainly paying less for the ammo than you and I would pay for them at a retail price level!

    I read a couple other articles on that RT website and I have a real issue with the way the stories are written, because they are spun so tight it makes my head spin. Specific words that just baffle me are "execute" and "assassinate". They bear only the authors intent to spin this story in a certain way and really have no purpose other than to excite the reader to believe DHS is planning on evil doing in the form of organized, unlawful killing.

    Instead of being an insightful, thought out and informative article, it seems very one sided and biased. Think for yourselves, don't be sheep and believe everything you hear. Certainly, don't take me at my word, research for yourselves!