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Next time use their logic.Per our CC&R's we are supposed to "ask permission" to put up a fence, or change a fence."
Well, my 4x4 post for the fence were put in with my house when it was built in 1988. Needless to say they are breaking at the base of them because they have rotted and are weak. When the windy season hits us I'd always lose a post or 2 and have to fix that section.
Well I'm out digging out the old concrete and up pulls a car and a guy gets out and walks over to me. He asks "whatcha doing?"
"Building a boat! What's it look like."
"Well I'm on the HOA Committee and we don't have any paperwork for you to work on your fence."
(A this point I realize it's a punk on the Committee who appears to have a chip on his shoulder. You know the kind..... about 5' 7", small hands and small feet. Someone who was definitely picked on in school.)
"The CC&R's says if I change my fence it needs to meet certain criteria. I'M NOT CHANGING IT. I'M FIXING IT BECAUSE IT BLEW DOWN WITH ALL THESE DANGED WINDS!"
He says "you need to stop work until you fill out a request and we approve it."
"No!"
He goes away.
A senior member of the committee (who I've known for many years) comes up to me with paperwork already filled out and says, "____ could you please just sign this? I'll approve it and we'll file it complete." So, for whatever reason it did sign it. She approves it right there and asks if I want a copy. "No thanks. We both know it's approved and signed."
Winds come around again and I lose more 4x4's. Now, the HOA monthly meeting is right around the corner. I decide that I am going to it. It is brought up that "People are just doing whatever they want without filling out the "request form". There was some conversations going about that, and a guy sitting about 2 seats from me, looks right at me and says "Yeah, like this guy putting up a fence without filling out the request form."
I snap! "IF YOU THINK I AM GOING TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO FIX MY BROKEN FNECE, YOU ARE F__KING CRAZY!!!"
The room went silent. I'm still PO'd. I look at the board members and state "I will NOT ask for anyone's permission to fix my broken fence! PERIOD!!!"
The guy then looks at me and says, "well if you change it you have to fill out a request form."
"I'M NOT CHANGING IT! I AM FIXING IT BECAUSE IT BLEW DOWN WITH ALL THE WINDS!!!!"
The board (manager) looked at me and said that I was OK to do what I was doing. They understood the situation.
I left.
Man, you would make an awesome neighborWe are having the shop built in our backyard. I pulled out about 110' feet of 1x6x6 cedar boards and cut the 4x4 posts off so the "heavy equipment" could have free access to the back yard to do what they needed to do.
*YES, I went through the whole HOA approval process and dealt directly with the person that I've known for years, and the manager.
During the Fall portion of the building process there was dirt, mud, crude being driven from the back yard to the street. I get a piece of paper in my mailbox that I am being put on notice because of all the mess that is going on and coming from my house. And that if I didn't remedy it immediately they would "take action" against me.
I laugh and file it with the building paperwork (HOA approval). The following week I get another notice that basically stated "Being you chose to ignore the first notice, this is your second and final notice. If it isn't taken care of further action will be taken."
I put on my rubber boots, grab a jacket, grab an umbrella and walk through the sideways blowing rain to the Manager's house (remember.... 4 doors down from mine). I ask her "WTF?" in so many words. She looks at it and says to me, "What are you supposed to do about it. That mud is coming from the equipment entering and leaving your property."
"NO S__T!!! Will you have a talk with them?"
"Absolutely. Just ignore this and I hope the construction is going well."
It's raining, not hard, but enough to need a jacket and hat. I'm out talking with the guys building the shop. A car whips around in front of my house abruptly. The lights flash and the horn honks. I was asked "who's that?" I have no idea and just shrug my shoulders. I assume the person was trying to do a U-turn and hit the lights and horn by accident.
Then about 2 mins later the lights start flashing and the horn starts again. When I look over the guy inside rolls his windows down and fingers me to come to him.
Knowing it is a HOA buffoon, I shake my head and wave my arm for him to come to me. Laughing with the crew the whole time. The guy drives off.
That evening around dinner I get a knock on the door. I open it and there are 3-4 people standing there - some close to the door, others many feet away with a look of fear. The guy at my door says "when I motion for you to come to me, I mean it."
"Who are you and what the eff do you want?!?!?!"
"Most of us are with the HOA Committee and we are here to talk with you about what is happening here."
"AND?!?!"
"We've given you 2 warnings about the mess that have been ignored. Before we give you our 3rd and final warning we want to know what steps you've taken to clean up this mess that it in violation of many of the CC&R's."
"Do you see construction?"
"Yes. We've noticed that. That doesn't answer our question. When will this mess be cleaned up?"
"So you do see the construction? Are you kidding me about cleaning up the mess while construction is still going on?"
"No. This is in violation of many of the CC&R's and needs to be cleaned up."
"You don't sit in your car and flash your lights and honk at me and expect me to come running. If you want to talk with me, get out of your car and walk your happy a_s over to me. I don't care if it is raining our not! When you can collectively get 1/2 a brain between all of you come back and talk to me! The mess will be cleaned up when the effing construction is completed!!! Now, get off my property and leave me along or I'll go talk to an attorney and sue your for harassment!"
They just stood there in awe. I then raised my voice quite a bit more and said "GET OFF MY PROPERTY! NOW!!!"
They turned and left.
The following day that manager and the gal I've known for years, came down and talked with me. They said that the people that I threatened last night are considering filing a lawsuit against me. I told them what happened and offered to let them see the security recording.
"You have the threat and confrontation recorded without their knowledge or consent?"
"Yup, just like now talking with you. You came onto my property and it is posted that I have security camera's. Not my fault that "the committee" is stupid. They all need to be replaced! Go back and tell them to bring it on! We'll all be in the courtroom."
We all talked and they asked (AGAIN) about the mess. I again pointed out the fact that there is construction in process. When it is complete it will be cleaned up, and not 1 minute before. They understood, thanked me and an walked away.
That is the kind of stuff that would get me thrown in jail for an assault charge.We were going to have our roof re-roofed. We filled out the "Request" paperwork - per HOA CC&R's.
I filled it out and in the description I put "It will be exactly like what is on it now. Just NEW."
An HOA "volunteer member" (who is a female dog and "volunteers" to be on the HOA committee because she is a...... well, a FEMALE DOG!!! )
She proceeded to tell me "you probably can't get that kind of shingles anymore because back when the house was built they didn't have these 40 year shingles that we now require."
"Where does it say in the CC&R's that I have to have 40 year shingles? I see where it says 30 or more."
"WELL 40 IS MORE THAN 30, ISN'T IT??" (with an eye roll)
Wife and I were already looking at 40 year shingles but I just had to say "30 or more as written in the CC&R's, not 40 as you state."
"Well I'll just deny your request." Then walks to her car and drives away.
The following day I get notification that my request for a roof was denied. So I walk over to the HOA Manager's house (who happened to live 4 doors from me). I talked with her and she asks a bunch of questions about the roof. I tell her that it is exactly like what is on it now, except it will be brand new. She says she sees nothing wrong with my request and "will talk" with the members of the HOA Approval Committee. She signs it "APPROVED".
A few days later the roofers show up and by the end of the day we have a new 40 year roof.
The female dog comes flying up to my house and gets out and starts in on me. "Why did you go above my head?" "You'll be sorry." blah blah blah. Then she says "you can't have that roof because the CC&R's state that the shingles must be of darker tones."
"Define darker tones."
"Dark. You know DARK."
So I point to a house that is 4 doors down from me and say "you mean dark like that?" (My roofing was darker than that house)
"NO, even that is too light."
"AMAZING. Did you know that is the Managers house and she just got her roof re-done last Summer?"
She got in her car and drove way.
Then 2 other people (in separate cars) pull up to my house, while the female dog parked up the street. They got out and both said "that really is a lighter color than we'd like. You may have to change it."
"REALLY?!?!?! Who's gonna pay for that?"
"Well, you will. See, this is why you should have gotten approval first."
So I show them my copy of the "Request" with the managers signature on it "APPROVED".
They walked over to the managers house and got her to come down to my house. They all stood in the street looking at the roof. I say "this is the EXACT color that was on it since it was built. This is just a new roof. AND, it is darker than yours."
She says, "yup, it sure is, isn't it." She turns to the other buffoons and says "Looks perfectly within the rules to me. We'll talk about this later."
They all leave.
To this day, on occasion I get nasty letters saying that they "think" my roof is too light and that I need to change it.
Lol, no my HOA team is a real fun bunch that fights owners over weeds and distances of garbage cans from doorways.Come on guys, I can't be the only one......
Lol, no my HOA team is a real fun bunch that fights owners over weeds and distances of garbage cans from doorways.
You're lucky that at least the head of your board is a good friend and neighbor. Sounds like she is level headed.
I'm working to get onto my board. Our neighborhood nazi moved and there is an opening, I've expressed interest to join for years, but they don't like me because I've pointed out their hypocrisy and stupidity from the start.
Our nazi has done "changes to their landscaping" without approval. They sited me for changing my front yard without approval. I asked the management firm that handles our HOA for all of the requests submitted. Sure enough, they never submitted one for their change.
I put in shrubs in my yard and tore out all of my grass as it dies every year and I didn't want to pay for watering it in the summer. HOA creates a rule under their "discretion" clause that all properties need grass on the door side of your property. I put in one 2'x2' piece of grass. It also dies every year. Once my bushes are tall enough, I'll stop replacing the 1 piece of sod each third or forth write up I get.