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High gun ownership linked to high rate of police officer deaths, study shows

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    High gun ownership linked to high rate of police officer deaths, study shows
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    US states with the highest levels of gun ownership are also the ones where police officers have the highest risk of being killed in the line of duty – the vast majority by gunfire, a study has shown.

    Researchers found that states such as Montana, Arkansas, Alabama and Idaho, which have the highest rates of state-registered private gun ownership, also have the highest rates of homicide of law enforcement officers. States including Massachusetts, New York and New Jersey experience some of the lowest rates of both police officers killed and gun ownership.

    “States should consider methods for reducing firearm ownership as a way to reduce occupational deaths of law enforcement officers,” was the blunt advice from the research paper published online on Thursday by the American Journal of Public Health.

    Researchers studied the 782 homicides of police officers between 1996 and 2010 and gun ownership rates state by state using information from the FBI and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    “If we’re interested in protecting police officers, we need to look at what’s killing them, and it’s guns. We know that 92% of police officers killed in the line of duty are killed by guns, three-quarters of which are handguns,” said David Swedler, lead researcher and an assistant professor of environmental and occupational health sciences at the University of Illinois Chicago School of Public Health.

    The research paper, also involving experts at Harvard and Johns Hopkins universities, pointed out that the New Jersey cities of Camden and Newark are perceived as two of the most violent cities in America, “yet New Jersey’s police are among the least likely to get shot”.

    Swedler concluded that gun ownership rates had a closer correlation than violent crime to officer homicide rates.

    Police officers in states with the highest rates of gun ownership are three times as likely to be killed as officers in states with the lowest rates of gun ownership, the researchers found – 0.95 homicides per 10,000 law enforcement officers in the former compared with 0.31 homicides per 10,000 in the latter.

    One reason, Swedler said, is that officers are often killed while responding to domestic violence calls and, where gun ownership rates are highest, they have a much greater chance of walking into a potentially lethal situation when arriving amid the tension of a domestic dispute.



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  3. Joe13

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    It's totally biased.

    If we took all of the guns away, the biggest cop killer in the country would be kitchen knives...

    Those middle states also have large meth issues and very little outside federal funding or help because of the small population density.

    I do not know, but I'd bet a 50 round box of .22lr that LA county gets more funding/help then all of Montana State.

    Those states also have more small towns and one sheriff police departments so they are going to these donestic calls referenced in the article by themselves without any backup would be my guess.
     
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    Dude:(

    If your going to just copy and paste, leave all of the garbage spam out please:confused:
     
  6. etrain16

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    In a recent study, it was found that 100% of people that murder cops are breaking the law and are, therefore, bad people. I propose a law to make it illegal to be a bad person, that way no one will ever kill a cop again.

    BTW, we should probably make it illegal for ISIS to own guns too - it would be a lot harder for them to do their thing if they didn't have guns.

    On a related note, another recent study found that 100% of the people that buy into these studies about guns are 100% gullible and 100% stupid. 100% of legal gun owners agree :p
     
  7. coyote223

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    The biggest cause of cop gun deaths today. are the race-baiting cop-hating black lies matter morons,,,
     
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  8. Caveman Jim

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    How about we make one law that makes it a death penalty to assault a policeman, steal or deal drugs!!! And revoke the other 25,000 laws against the 2A, that would be fine...
     
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    Cops are more likely to be killed in a car accident than by gunfire.

    Maybe we ought to study if states with high car ownership contribute more to officer deaths than states with low car ownership?
     
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    Interesting how they include all of the % for there statistics except for one.

    How many of these were committed by people prohibited from owning a firearm.
     
  11. ZA_Survivalist

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    The statement isnt made objectively.
    Looking at the context, there is a HIGH rate of firearm ownership BECAUSE of increased police officer deaths and break ins.

    Leaving the stats vague, they try and link the increased ownership to the deaths, when really in many of these cases it has NOTHING to do with leo deaths.
    Thats like saying, the increased production of hybrid and electric cars is causing climate change because we're now manufacturing MORE vehicles to try and curb it.
    It doesnt compute.
    We need to outlaw these false "stats" and selective polls as biased defimation campaigns.. Wait, they already are.

    I will say one thing, if leos dont uphold their CONSTITUTIONAL oath then yes, when they come to illegaly confiscate and detain law abiding citizens there will be MANY leo deaths. They need to know when to ignore unconstitutional orders.

    However, Ill note, quite a few of these leo deaths are a direct result of the media and race baiters stirring up trouble with the very very unintelligent urban dwellers. They act like animals and attack leos just showing up to a scene. So really, we need to turn the tables and say biased and selective reporting is the direct cause of this $HIT!
     
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  12. Mark W.

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    And this is a big problem WHY?

    Montana has 119 law enforcement agencies employing 19,050 sworn police officers,

    So if we use the "RATE" given in this stupid study then

    19,050 /10,000= 1.905 x .95 you get less then 2 officers killed per year on average in Montana by any means not just with a firearm.

    HOW is this a BIG deal

    When in 2012 126 law enforcement officers committed suicide Additionally, in 2012, 129 officers “died in the line on duty”. This is sad folks. Way too many officers are dying. And even worse, cops are killing themselves at the same rate as they do in the line of duty.
     
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  13. Charliehorse

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    Exactly. Gun ownership by whom?
    It is amazing how many arrests & charges include "felon in possession of a firearm".
    Very obviously - except to dimwit leftanista's and their totalitarian agenda - all of the gun laws on the books are irrelevant to the criminal mind. That's why they're called "criminals".
    All of the gun laws - and all of those planned for the future - only impede law abiding citizens from their unalienable rights to self defense and their Constitutional rights to own firearms.
     
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  14. OLDNEWBIE

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    "Researchers found that states such as Montana, Arkansas, Alabama and Idaho, which have the highest rates of state-registered private gun ownership, also have the highest rates of homicide of law enforcement officers."
    I didn't think those States required registration.
     
  15. The Heretic

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    Good point.
     
  16. edslhead

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    I would like to know who funds all these ridiculous studies. We should come up with a few and cash in.
     
  17. U201491

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    Why propagate that kind of BS ??????????????????
     
  18. OLDNEWBIE

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    http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302749

    At the time of this study, David I. Swedler was with Environmental Health Sciences, Harvard School of Public Health, Harvard University, Boston, MA, and Center for Injury Epidemiology, Liberty Mutual Research Institute for Safety, Hopkinton, MA. Molly M. Simmons is with the Johns Hopkins Center for Injury Research and Policy, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD. Francesca Dominici is with the Department of Biostatistics, Harvard School of Public Health. David Hemenway is with the Department of Health Policy and Management, Harvard School of Public Health.
     
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    We could do some good ones like, what are the chances a gun will go off if you pull the trigger. Or can you fire an unloaded gun? Some studies with impact. What are the chances a cop would get shot with a bow and arrow today. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Hybrid Slave

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    Looking for problems where none exist, particularly in the form of consensual adult activity, when they should be working on real problems like rape, robbery, murder, property destruction; you know, crimes that have an actual victim. That is what gets cops killed.

    Or in other words, arbitrarily enforcing laws that are unconstitutional.

    Why should I care if a legal and consenting (thus the term consensual activity) ADULT wants to fry their brains with whatever mind altering substance they prefer?

    If they go out and kill, rob, or rape someone, or destroy their property, then enforce the pertaining law, by all means. Who gives a damn if they're on Heroin, coke, or eating cotton candy!!?? Keep it simple.

    History repeats itself, as is evident in America's failure to embrace the lessons learned from the failed Volstead Act of 1919.

    Hold people accountable for their (actual) actions that damage others and property. What they do to their own bodies and brains is a personal problem regardless of whatever collateral damage to which their consensual activity led.

    Too many politicians and cops running around with a damned tyrannical Messiah complex leads to dead cops AND dead citizens.

    Trying to save stupid people from themselves while lying to yourself by saying that you're "protecting" others has always been and always will be a good way to get yourself and others dead, along with wasting BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars, and dragging the entire nation (with the exception of all the suit wearing title holding profiteers of the war on drugs) down into the muck.

    From the clueless who have lived in an American RURAL BUBBLE all their lives to being a self righteous "holier than thou" who points finger at everyone, and, along with being one of the ones who makes their living off of others taxes, it's time we opened our eyes and stopped living in and perpetuating this lie that is debilitating our country.

    End the prohibition of consensual ADULT activity and put all those wasted tax dollars into our public schools in order to reduce class enrollments from 35 kids in a class to say, 15 kids in a class.

    Look at this as an investment in our children and our future, rather than investing in the arbitrary imposition of the will of a bunch of self righteous blowhards who want to dictate how everyone should live.

    I'd bet that within two generations after such investment, we, as a nation, would start to see teen pregnancies drop, drop out rates decline, high school and college graduations increase... and yes, much less violent crime.

    And then, what need would we have for a bunch of low brow, badge wearing, paramilitary goons protecting us from ourselves. Who the hell protects us from them?

    And of course, they're smart enough, at least some of the ones who don't actually believe that they're making any significant difference IN THE LARGER SCHEME OF THINGS, to know that if the nation did make such an investment, that many of these goons would be out of a job along with all the other parasites who slurp up the profits from the tax payer gravy train known as the "war on drugs".

    What causes cops to get dead? In the majority of cases, it is their knowingly or unconsciously betraying their oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution. And to hell with what the Supreme court may rule in this matter, most of the justices are on the payroll of the war profiteers anyway.

    ...rant finished.
     
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